What does it mean if I can't keep my upper back straight ?

Something that’s driving me crazy -
What does it mean if I can’t keep my upper back straight when accelerating ?
No matter how much I think STRAIGHT, no matter how much time people tell me about my back etc, I ALWAYS end up doing the same thing- It’s kinda upsetting, because I am really thinking “BACK” every rep.

It sure feels great, and I don’t feel like I have trouble shifting to a higher gear and get up to my running, but everybody keep saying it’s the worst thing I can do and it’s taking away 0.1’s of secs of my race.

Videos will come tomorrow, meanwhile, what do you think of a rounded back start, if it is totally natural feeling ? I see it does happen in elites sometimes (Gatlin, Dix, sometimes Greene)

Is that a 100% bad thing ? I never “learned” to start this way, it just happens.

edit: here is the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTB0vVdZm6o

any help would be appreciated !

I would like to see the slow mo video. Tending to think there is something with your hips, ie, pushing with Quads instead of glutes n hammie. If hips were down far enough, it should keep your back in alignment.

or

simply you have back tightness issues, Thinking Lats here. Foam roll ya back. Foam balls are great.

Without raising the shoulders up, try to stick out your chest in order to keep the back straight.

Judging from your previous comments on what you “think” or cue yourself about, this is almost entirely self-driven. Your older videos don’t show this. You posted that you focus on staying down as long as possible. Well, now you know why people say that is generally not a good idea for the vast majority of people.

Sorry, but how can someone possibly push with their quads instead of their glutes and hamstrings? This doesn’t even make sense if there is any degree of hip extension present.

Is this your starting position or does the video start a bit later on? Also, use those arms more!

So the biggest flaw you see here is arm work ?
Any interesting cues ?

Perhaps it would help the back issue, too, but the starting position is important, too, of course, if what you are trying to use there is the ‘push up’ starting position (as in Charlie’s GPP DVD). But I am not clear on this, it’s confusing. I don’t think the starting position helps you in what you are trying to achieve. Overall, it’s not as bad as you think!

Who is ‘everybody’? Seems like you take too much advice.
Random note: Whenever people make some change then watch for it on video, the change is usually infinitesimal compared to what they are expecting to see.

Don’t worry about all the non-sense, be an athlete and just run

Who said you’re losing tenths? I don’t even think you would sprint like this in a race. Like I said, you don’t do it in any other videos. This video itself is pretty worthless in that context (not being how you run in your races).

I think your centre of gravity is moving up and down too much so you’re losing groung under your feet and therefore have to compensate by bendig your upper back to accelerate faster.

thanks for all the comments.
Here’s a 35lbs tire start… sorry for the winding, tried to pre stretch the rope before I left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7GWEbeK7pE

Self analysis - My hips were too high here- Perhaps a lighter tire

Looks a lot better. I don’t see the hips being too high at all. Like I said before, if you actually try you aren’t going to sprint like you did in that previous video. With a 35lb tire, it is hard to not put in some effort and still sprint and it shows with the cleaned up technique. I’d still work that arms a bit more aggressively and not force the head down (ie come up more naturally), but overall it looks better.

The same way vertical jumps hit the quads more.
If you didnt know, he is like Dunk Champ something like 3yrs in a row!
Im not saying the glutes n hammies are taken completly out of the picture, its just the Quads start doing too much of the work. His hips appear rotated too much also, bringing Quads into action more.
Its hard to tell on his video, however, he is not getting Full Hip involvement - Esp after viewing some footage taken only 1wk ago! Really good hip drive.
Without doubt, he is tight (esp comparing his last wks video, which isnt here) and also Mentally thinking too much which has been stated.
Once you loosen up Silencer, and get back to how you were feeling just 1wk ago, SWEET :). Are you due for a de-load wk yet??
The video posted (at the start) should be forgotten about, and the one from last wk should be Looked at as being Fantastic.
And compare that with Last yrs running form! The difference is like night and day. Even the footage you put up here is light yrs better than last yrs!
Your going to have a good season.

That 35lb pull seems too heavy, look like it’s slowing you down tooo much.

That actually doesn’t make any sense at all, but continue.

If you didnt know, he is like Dunk Champ something like 3yrs in a row!
Im not saying the glutes n hammies are taken completly out of the picture, its just the Quads start doing too much of the work. His hips appear rotated too much also, bringing Quads into action more.
Its hard to tell on his video, however, he is not getting Full Hip involvement - Esp after viewing some footage taken only 1wk ago! Really good hip drive.
Without doubt, he is tight (esp comparing his last wks video, which isnt here) and also Mentally thinking too much which has been stated.
Once you loosen up Silencer, and get back to how you were feeling just 1wk ago, SWEET :). Are you due for a de-load wk yet??
The video posted (at the start) should be forgotten about, and the one from last wk should be Looked at as being Fantastic.
And compare that with Last yrs running form! The difference is like night and day. Even the footage you put up here is light yrs better than last yrs!
Your going to have a good season.

He isn’t running 100% in the video you analyzed and most of your analysis here doesn’t line-up with the video or research. I’ll post more if necessary, but it has been covered ad naseum here and elsewhere.

Try a longer rope, too, to avoid tire bouncing.

Im not surprised at all by your lack of understanding!
Here, read this Its just a Taste of what im talking about. It takes more than just one article to fully know, i hope you realize.

He is going 100% effort in that video, but not 100% speed, for the reasons i outlined before in previous post, if you dont remember, (tightness)

He hasnt posted up one of His runs from last wk, so naturally you wont understand some of what im talking about, It was only taken 1wk ago, (like i said before) and it puts to shame this last video (which is still OK esp compared to last Yrs runs, but sucks compared to Last wks)

All being said, A few days of active recovery, some therapy (even just self therapy) and we shall see the Man here running some much better efforts thats for sure.

Rope length, i agree, get some more Meters on it. And i think, instead of reducing weight, Just focus on them hips more, if that dont work, then reduce weight. Im sure your strong enough to handle the weight of the sled, its just a technique thing that will come with mental thought/focus and practice.

Videos could be a good Wk to wk Analysis if you got the time to post em up?

An article from KellyB isn’t the most convincing thing in the world. Again, he is running submax in the video in both effort and speed, which is why he runs much different in the sled video (he can’t run submax if he has to pull a heavy tire like that).

I’ve seen dozens of videos of Silencer’s running. I understand what is going on. I can also say there is no such thing as “quad” running. In the video with the sled, where he is running maximally, and in his race videos, he is clearly getting hip extension and using his glutes and hamstrings. If anything should have been noted from his submax video, it should have been primarily his excessive curving of the neck and upper back, which will put a large strain and stretch on the hamstrings (and put his pelvis out of position) and likely lead to a hamstring or adductor strain if he started to push it.