Questioning Poliquin

Spartacus when powerlifters start using steel armour you and Ben Hurr will be the first people I call. If you didnt understand the reason Im concerned with reps its due to the fact Im a sprinter. Also the end result doesnt always reflect the correct training. Ted could have benched more. Or maybe not. Maybe 20 reps scheme is the new way to perform powerlifting. Heck boxers swore up and down that running marathon distances at 5 in the morning were the reason they were in such good shape for boxing.

              -Theres more then one way to skin a cat
                               C.Francis

Timothy,

My comments about Ted Arcidi have nothing to do with any recommendation that a powerlifter trains with such reps. Strength athletes need to train on reps appropriate to their sport. Rather, I was just stating the fact that Arcidi did do 20 reps on around 70% of his maximum regardless. It may well have been a one-off event for Arcidi.

Just a couple of thoughts:
A 335 bench and 300 clean are pretty good (assuming reasonable body weight) so, likely, the emphasis might switch to maintaining that strength level, at least for awhile, to allow for the advancement of special endurance abilities.
I use the 80% rule for counting reps over the training period- not as a judgement of where training effect starts, but as a means of keeping track of the big CNS stress.

Charlie, I would really appreciate some more help. Up to what level should I try to advance the special endurance abilities before I try to make more gain in strength. Would a 300m run in the 32s be a good target.
bw =188lb, ht=6’1"
60m 6.70a
100m 10.44
200m 21.10

“3. ‘Pyramiding’ is an effective training scheme”

DW,
Bompa in ‘Periodisation for Sport’ does advocate pyramiding but with the caveat that such a pyramid stays within a 10% bracket (of intensity).
I noticed that this is also supported by CP in ‘Modern Trends in Strength Training’.

Is your rejection of pyramids a rejection of all pyramid set-ups or perhaps the more traditional 6-5-4-3-2-1 set-ups that span a wide intensity range?

I would appreciate your thoughts/ further clarification on this. If you have a copy of Bompas ‘Periodisation’, perhaps look at this suggested weights programme in the MxS phase for a illustartion of Bompas 10% pyramid principal. A critique this programme could serve as a basis for a response.

Thanks.

Yes, I have Bompa’s Periodization text. I understand and (with reservations) agree with the 10% intensity range limit. Effectively, this resticts the lifter to a very shallow pyramid, i.e. 5 to 3 or 3 to 1.

As I mentioned in the article however, there is not a linear relationship between intensity and the maximum repetitions possible. This causes problems even with a small intensity range. Consider:

1RM = 100k
3RM = 85k
5RM = 80k
8RM = 75k

How would you design a pyramid for this athlete?

My main focus when designing programs is to control intensity to protect against overtraining by using a ‘Buffer’ (see below). When using multiple rep patterns within the same workout determining the magnitude of the buffer for each set becomes unnecessarily complicated. So my main questions is, if the intensity range is so low why would you want to employ a pyramid? To provide variation? Would it not be better to oscillate reps schemes over sessions?

Buffering – A Method of Selecting Training Intensity

I contend that unless a lifter is testing a maximum a ‘buffer’ should always be employed between the training load and recent (repetition) maximum.

Example
3 Repetition Maximum (RM) = 100
3 reps at 95k
Buffer = 100 – 95 = 5k

As rep number decreases the magnitude of the buffer must increase since the load is closer to absolute maximum. I recommend the minimum buffer should be 10% for 1 – 4 reps and 5% for 5 – 8 reps. Larger buffers may be required as absolute strength increases since the higher the motor control (high fibre recruitment and rate coding, low Golgi and antagonistic inhibition) the greater central nervous system fatigue resulting from lifts near to maximum.

When loads approach maximum there is often a tendency to increase the speed of the eccentric phase and/or to over utilise cheat methods, e.g. flexing spine during the squat and lifting the ass during a bench press. Greater loads can then be lifted but greater muscle forces have likely not been achieved. By using a buffer technique remains (more) consistent and injury risk is substantially deceased.

The emotional requirement to lift at maximum means central nervous system stress is significantly greater than for a sub maximum effort. One possible exception is lifters who have learned to emotionally detach from his training and accept a performance decrement. A maximum effort generally precludes any further quality sets and may also detract from subsequent training sessions in the week. As a result volume may be reduced below the threshold required to generate (or sustain) an adaptation.

There is also research that suggests prolonged training in limit strength exercises (e.g. squat & bench) close to 1RM causes a decrease in speed (Rate of Force Development) that manifests before any decrement in the specific exercise. This is obviously important for power athletes such as sprinters and throwers. The Olympic lifts and their derivatives have a high speed component therefore any decrease in RFD will manifest itself immediately.

Lastly, an experienced lifter recognises that day-to-day variations in strength are quite significant. On a given day therefore a 90% lift can, in severe cases, actually represent a 100% effort. Percentages in any program must therefore only be a guide and the athlete should recognise this and have the discipline to decrease the load accordingly. In the future perhaps force plates will be widely used to calculate movement velocity. This would be useful to determine optimum training load and hence to avoid overtraining.

Drawing heavily from available strength literature, I illustrate below an example 4 week cycle; 3 sessions per week:

Wk1
S1,2,3 5X3R 90% 3RM

Wk2
S1,2 5X3R 92% 3RM
S3 3X3R 95% 3RM

Wk3
S1,2,3 6X2R 90% 2RM

Wk4
S1 6X2R 92% 2RM
S2 3X2R 95% 2RM
S3 2R 102% 2RM

For simplicity I like to translate percentages into loads, i.e. for a 1RM of 75 to 125k, 10% = 10k.; 1RM of 125 to 175, 10% = 15k etc

The One:
Re SE objectives. It’s always tough to speculate on objectives for SE without the facts. What approach was used in training? Long to short or short to long? Were 300s part of the SE training or simply used as a test? What are the training PBs in 150 and 250 (if done).
Perhaps with enough info, we can set up an approach- while being very careful of objectives (300 times must be balanced against all other componants to keep the whole program moving ahead.

Thanks for the help. I did not have direct control over the running part of his program last year, only the weights. I a still trying to figure out what approach was used in training, it seem to be a combo. It started off with 4 high intensity and two low intensity days then one of the low intensity turned into a intensive day.
MON special endurance, starts off as high as 600 and comes down to 300
TUE blocks starts about 20-30m, this builds up slowly to 60m
WED 6-8x200 temo range, but after indoor the 200s drops to about 4 and are now done in the intermediate zone.
THUR same as tues
FRI technique runs from 150m down at sub max
SAT 10-20 min run, this is droped right before the start of indoor.
Weights are done on tues and thur. Nothing really changes during the year except tht 200s are cut to 4, sometimes 2 but there is never more than a 90 sec rest between them(at any point in the year) Mondays get shorter and faster, most times in a breakdown fashion 400,350,300.
Here is the other info you ask for; 250 is not done, 150 are done in the low 16s high 15s range (staiting in the middle of the curve) In a time trial he ran 15.8 starting at the 200m mark from blocks and with a gun. 350 best is 40.8, His bench went from 320 to 335lb and his clean from 275 to 300lb in this same season.
Thanks

Flash,
Don’t let on too much about that seminar. We have to continue to let everyone believe that Charles’ knowledge is best suited for those who only want big guns.

Wide loads?

David W,

Nice post! <clap> <clap>

Yes thanks DW for the detailed response.

Well back to posting.

I like points made by all on here. However. Lets take for instance a powerlifter. Who strickly competes in powerlifting. He can bench 805, but can only rep out 55-70 pushups. Now wouldnt this be a sign of high amount of fast twitch muscle fiber because the athlete tires out quickly yet can bench 805?

 Lets say that 805 is 4 times over the athletes own body weight.  A pushup shouldnt be hard. Should it. The athlete definently has superior strength.  Im sure he could perform a single pushup with a highload of weight on his back. Yet reps are hard. 

 Also I have seen world class athletes who can barely do a pull-up. Why. Yet they can do high amounts on shoulder press? High amounts of fast twich. The reason why sprinters cant run distance. And so on and so on.   Cant it be compared with what we were talking earlier in this thread about how "some" sprinters have have high maxes, yet cannot complete many reps.  I cant believe ben could do both. High reps high max. Fast start fast finish. This is clearly a unique characteristic that world class athletes have.  Can we get a list of the maxes for the top sprinters in the world.  I find most sprinters dont have high maxes.  Mo, ato, donovan bailey ect. We could go on and on. As charlie stated bench pressing 315 is not a prerequisite. I know some do.   Yet most sprinters as charlie stated can do reps do to the amount of special endurance which is in place. I would like to see if anyone can post some athletes they have coached with maxes and rep numbers to see whether they add up on most sprinters. Maybe even a rep chart (which may not even be correct).  I might try and work this into some sort of poll. Thoughts.  

I just want some conversation here. Im not trying to state any points I believe here.