I belong in the they are just another tool to train qualities group. I do believe they are a very good tool, however, and easily quantifiable unlike some other methods. And perhaps not as dangerous as some other methods. Plus you only have to look at the the results of Oly lifters to see the “potential”. I know these guys are elite athletes and would probably excel in various other sports but when you see someone like Huster (83kg) or Lara(76kg) or Dimas (83kg) EASILY Power Clean 170kg+ you know there is something to them. And then you see some of the verts after successful lifts - way up there.
Personally, I enjoy doing them and I have just recently started training them minimum 5 days per week just for personal use, no specific sporting reason. I will let you know the results of the program after a few months if they are exceptional.
I hope James decide to participate in this thread because if I remember correctly he said jumps and throws are easier to quantify then ol’s. I dont know the details to your program but I have done a heavy ol program before and it worked great, if you would like to see I could post the movements I did each session.
I know Pfaff and others do jump squats during gpp and most coaches wouldnt do this, what do you think about during jump squats in gpp? I really dont see a major problem during hang cleans and power cleans in a gym setting if the athlete keep the weight in the med intensity zone 60-75% maybe 80 for singles and go heavier with the pulls.
I’d like to see it if you dont mind laying out the basics of it.
When I think about it loaded jumps and throws should be as easy to quantify. Basically you are doing the same thing as an OL just different load and method of releasing the load and in some cases not receiving the load.
It’s listed on some programs I have from him but it is very possible they are omitted now, were, etc. I do not remember the year of the micro I am referring to. I’ve never asked him specifically about it.
Didn’t you train with him?
As you said traveling in CP makes more sense so they can be used in place of OL’s. There is no reason you could not do variations in GP in place of OL’s if facilities were not available.
Funny, I have a VERY similar program from Nov. 1996 with all the mentioned exercises except the jump squats.
I was in Texas for the GP of the year 2000 and don’t remember any JSs, they could have been done the macro before or could have been a later addition (I mean, in the years after the year 2000).
OK, I jumped in late…
Just looking for a clarification: are we talking about jump squats, or squat jumps? (Is there a barbell or other implement involved?)
As for the last part of the thread, I am somewhere between choice A and B.
My background: I train for the sport of OL, and have an actual training hall set up for OL. For most sports, I (or my staff) teaches the OL’s or variations to the sports, depending upon sport. However, time is limited. If a kid just doesn’t “get it”, or lacks the prerequisite flexibility or ability to get into the proper positions (like that abortion we all saw from Maryland) - then we do something else!
At our level, it’s very difficult to get the year round training committment, but we have found it easier to get the kids into competing in OL in the off seasons - team idea, comraderie, etc…