James Colbert, or who ever may know the answer to my question; what is the differance between altitude landings and drop jumps?
4 days ago, I was jumping back off a wall, ono a wooden platform. I landed with bent legs that I tried to keep stiff. After lading my hips sunk no more than about 3 or 4 inches.
Is one technique about landing with slightly bent, but stiff legs where hip sinking is no more than a few inches?
The other technique, off a much higher wall or box, where by apon landing you may sink down to into a squat, allmost parallel thigh?
They deliberatly are supposed to elicit sslightly differant adaptations?
The first about minimmising sinking apon foot strike.
The second about also developing glutes and hams ability to pull at the leg in sprints etc… and maybe more intense than the first mentoned landing. (motor unit recruitment etc…)
Maybe I’m missing something here but I understand that weights are a general stimulus (at least I think I do ) and I am not saying that getting stronger will always make you faster. But on the most basic level isn’t sprinting about applying as much force to the ground as possible on each stride while sprinting with good technique? So wouldn’t weights increase rate coding, increase MU recruitment, etc. and give you the potential to apply more force to the ground in your sprint stride?
goose i commend your desire to try new things and learn but this is the problem i have with getting specific with training means cause someone inevitably takes one piece of it thinking its like a bench press variation of a sissy squat and they plug it into their system hoping to get results. when they dont get results they think the technique is bull not realizing that the work he was doing is only designed to be used by individuals who have alread established physiological traits which will allow continued adaptation.
in all liklyhood your gunna get hurt especially if the height you are at is making you sink 4 to 6 inches after contact. im just guessing here but i doubt that you have established the proper neurological patterns necessary to perform the exxcercise safetly and even to achieve any desired adaptation.
people are so use to to being able to take something away and integrate it into what they are already doing. but everything i talk on is an integrated part of a larger whole, a symbiotic relationship between all things you do to achieve a specfic goal. how you eat, wehn you eat, what you eat, when you train, what you train, how you train, how you sleep, how you stand, how you sit… everything contributes, loose one part and the whole suffers greatly.
I just did a drop jump of the slightly high wooden chair and I don’t think my hips sunk as much as 1 inch. I grossly over-estimated the length of hip sink in those drop jumps I did 4 days ago. My bad.
The sinking was really at the ankle. Landing on the ball of foot, and then the heel going to the ground. This created the illusion for me that my hips were sinking.
basically, My thigh/hip/ & torso angle did not change apon landing, so a stiff landing without change in thigh angle.
The question is not about the value of gains but about the nature and order of gain and how it is expressed.
Will an increase in weight lifting necessarily result in a performance gain? No. Not if the improvement comes at the expense of the sprint training itself.
You need to view weightlifting as a supporting means and not as an end in itself with automatic benefits.
The other thing worth thinking about here is the expression of the gain.
Is it seen during the max strength phase or, if as I suggest, it follows the sprint work, after both the weight volume AND the high sprint volume are reduced?
Since this is really in the taper phase, the true strength may never be seen- unless you screw up the weight plates the way we did in Seoul due to unfamiliarity with Olympic plates.
We saw what Ben could truly Bench then, but if we had followed our own protocol as planned and stopped at 365lbs, we would not have.
That guy’s not from my weightlifting club. But, it’s kind’ve a half squat/half deadlift. If the goal is load, he’s doing okay. But for “expression” as CF indicated, the result would be poor.
I wonder if part of the issue is that we often ever associate strength work with the weight room. CFTS uses various forms of strength work such as hills, med ball, running A’s. Yes the weight room is important but not at the expense of other work. THAT is why it is placed last so it can be adapted to fit the requirements of that day.
I see a powerlifting squat, low bar, depth is pretty shallow, wide’ish stance. Good for displaying more weight than a high bar full squat, but doesn’t mean your actually stronger.
Plus he is good morning the weight quite a bit - weak hamstrings
Not really bad form, but not what I’d call wide stance powerllifting form. Most wide stance powerlifters can’t lift in a rack like that because it limits how wide you can get your feet. That’s one of the advantages of the monolift, it allows you to get a very wide stance. Also, he’s knees are drifting forward a little early, and he has a touch too much forward lean.
For powerlifting, if he widened his stance and sat back at the beginning of the lift, he would be able to stay slightly more upright and with less forward movement in the knees. That may seem picky, but if he were doing 600lbs. instead of around 300, it would make a big difference.
i have very forward lean as well but might be froim flexibility issues. My hamstrings are very strong straight legged deadlifts i can go very heavy and it is relatively easy compared to high bar deep squats. I have to get used to front squats somehow or else im just gonna do leg extensions i dont care.
His squats dont seem shallow. it looks right according to his bodytype.
When I used to do squats followed by stiff legged deadlifts, it got to the point where my straight legged deadlifts over took the amount of weight I could squat. I don’t think this is all that uncommon. Would romanian style deadlift help your squat, more so than straight leg deadlift?
i agree undercondtions. many throw areound weights as it is a generals term, everybody doing the same things, in that light it is general. but what if you use weights in a completly different manner than most. people are thinking “how can weights be anything but general” well the way you lift it is. weights are just a load. how you manipulate that load determines the effect it will have on your body.
James,
How do you classify things as general and specific? Knowing that you are a Supertraining fan, I assume you use the principle of dynamic correspondance as Siff defines it. Am I mistaken? This is how I general classifiy things as general or specific (rather HOW general or specific they are).
Charlie,
Do you mind rewording these ideas for a slow guy like me :o ?
I understand that an increase in sprinting speed is the ultimate goal. Thus sprinting is the main stimulus in your system and all other elements designed to support that stimulus while minimally interfering with its training.
What I guess I don’t understand is why you see value in plyos, weights, etc. outside of a taper or injury situation. I can see why a bench press can be beneficial in a taper period or why squatting may be beneficial if an athlete has a lower leg injury and can’t sprint. However, don’t plyos compete for the same resources as sprints without as the specific benefits that sprinting provides? OLYs would also compete for some of the same resources and tax some of the same MUs with much less specific benefits. If you are willing to further tax your CNS and the specific MUs most important to sprinting then why not use sprints to do that and get the most specific (and fastest??) adaptations? I don’t get the impression that you use these things throughout the year so that you can reap the benefits of them in an injury or taper period without the adaptation stiffness that would occur if they were not present at all times, so I am having trouble seeing the justification for them in your sprint program.
no transfer first time using blocks today, not part of a club so im training myself. I might have strained my hip flexor again. However im slower then before so i guess no transfer from lower squats. IM very slow compared to how i usually opened, man i gotta get used to these superfly G5. Man 4.4 30m 5.73 40m times sucks ass man this sucks.
) and I am not saying that getting stronger will always make you faster. But on the most basic level isn’t sprinting about applying as much force to the ground as possible on each stride while sprinting with good technique? So wouldn’t weights increase rate coding, increase MU recruitment, etc. and give you the potential to apply more force to the ground in your sprint stride?