Charlie’s questions about the McKoy claims should be investigated. That’s a serious credibility loss to the mystery man if he’s trying to pull a Davies.
I believe Shaf’s point was that one uses a bench shirt and a squat suit.
I don’t believe it was, reread my posts and then his. His implications are that a bench press suit doesn’t add that much to your bench and I strongly disagree with that!
I agree, but why say you coached Mark Mckoy when you have a name like Adam Arhuleta? What I mean is that he already has his bread and butter athlete for credibility, so then why would he jepordize his credibility by linking Mark McMoy’s name with his programs? This doesn’t make sense to me and why do people always go after CF’s athletes and trying to take credibility? Do they think that CF wandered off the face of the earth in 1989? Hell maybe they don’t know about this forum and the good thing about this forum is that rumors like this get killed pretty damn fast! :mad:
FTR, Again I can’t pass any judgement until all the facts are in!
No I realize in the video that he is pushing down… There was only about 200 on the bar though, I most definetly HAVE however seen video of a big bench done by archuletta while schroeder was definetly helping… It wasnt on the freak of training video… it was on the net.
Yeah, I realized that when I saw elukas and others bring it up. got ya.
SVSM what you also need to realise is that people that use shirts train to get the most out of them… Ie they dont care what their raw bench is and dont worry about lower end (off the chest strength). Getting a lot out of a shirt also relies heavily on technique etc…
Basically if a shirted lifter is weak off the chest they might not worry about brining it up because the shirt will help there, and they might still hammer away at strengthening the lockout… Now their raw lift may not go up because they are still weak off the chest although their shirted lift may have gone up cause they are training for the shirt…
You see its not as simple as put a shirt on and get 100’s of pounds out of it… I know guys that are lucky to get 45lbs from it…
I agree with you and this is in line with what James Smith said and also is my understanding of the subject as well. I believe the average beginner (note: this an elite powerlifter who is classified as an average beginner bc he is a begginer with the bench suit) who uses a bench shirt will probably add 20-40lbs on their raw bench.
Does the NFL have a cut off point at which they don’t recognize reps above a certain point. I think it is 35? Am I wrong? I’ve trained with 4 powerlifters who set world records, not in the bench, and one WSM contestant, George Frenn, and none could do anything like 31 reps. And atleast 2 benched more than 530, with no shirt. It does sound debateable. Maybe the static holds are the key to the stamina/endurance factor. Anyway, they should raise the weight to 315 to somewhat legitimize that test. How about a med ball throw, or something else?
I saw a guy at the Yessis/Verkoshansky clinic
do 40 or so and he wasn’t all that big. He was shooting for over fifty. Actually I’m most impressed with Archuleta’s 39" vertical.
Our local high school teacher had a 42"vert when he did the combine
A note on bench shirts and squat suits:
Throwing either one on doesn’t guarantee a big carryover.
Learn to master them, however, and you will get hundreds of pounds out of each of them.
it was after
you are all assuming that in the paticualr fotage that adam was maxing out. but in jays plusa articles he writes about supermaximal lifts with weights up to 130% of a persons max used to strees the eccentric portion of the lift. the bar is then lifted at the end of the set in such away that the athlete must still remain maximal tension and the bar follow the same path that it naturally would. this takes a good spotter who is familiar with the lifters bar path. he does similar things for squat and deadlift allbeit a little more complex in their execution.
Do you have links to these?
Is there not a serious compromise with long hold isometrics? What if you was to do that with your lower body? I did a single leg parallel squat with 30kg for 45 seconds (not that impressive), I’ve got long legs, one is stronger than the other, my left leg found it to be easy.
Also, Tom Green a 10.10 sprinter featured in T-nation, does a 1 or 2 minute long repetition fo a bulgarian split squat. I tried that and the blood pump was awesome. The thing is, the split squat long rep did not develope any muscle size over the next several days and the single leg iso-holds platued and reached an anoying sticking point aswell. Also, whilst Charlie recomends occasional depleton push ups, he has not recomended any simmilar kind of work for the lower body, so how usefull is this stuff?
The point is that James Smith understands the use of powerlifting equipment, and has trained accordingly, and can realize the benefits thereof. Your post makes it painfully obvious that you do not.
An equipment neophyte, like yourself, would have a very difficult time realizing a 50# gain using a properly fitted shirt and would be even less likely to see a 100# gain.
Given a few months of training with someone who understands bench shirts, I have no doubt you could do it, but tossing on a shirt and hitting such an increase is extremely unlikely at best.
I have just recently been introduced to bench shirts and I must say it did not add a lot of weight to my total press (10-15lbs maybe) I did not use it much but just putting it on did not make a big difference for me, the dude I am learning from tells me you have to learn to hit the “groove” in the shirt for it to be effective. Everyone one is different but that has been my experience
Instead of a bench shirt…why not just add a couple hydraulic pistons to each arm?..then you guys could put up all kinds of big numbers.
Isn’t Jay the same guy who says the catching phase of olympic lifts is where all the gains are made? If so, that’s funny.
badgerman I am sure people have done that and then said they bench 800, it is my opinion that all the gear is stupid but if you want to compete with the “big dogs” it has become essential to the sport, I think???..plus that crap costs a lot of money and if you suck ass like me you cannot afford it and will never get sponsored so you cannot keep up with all the newest best crap, that being said I am not using this as an excuss, I am terrible but there are some dudes out there who cannot afford this crap and are really awsome lifters but without it they cannot win the big contests!!! :eek: