Now I’m going to try to not be rude here, but I think you actually missed out on what was actually happening on that video. Schroeder is not helping him with two hands, he’s pushing down against archuleta!!! There’s actually a point in the video where schroeder tries to do it himself and archuleta says, “you can’t hold me” and proceeds to press through jay’s two hands and jay has to call the other two athletes present to help push down and keep the bar on adam’s chest. You know how strong you have to be to push through 225-pounds with someone else (especially jay schroeder, did you see his guns?) pushing down against the bar as well? I’ve heard the same argument from people on the Supertraining list saying that at one point there’s an extra 50 kilos on the bar and then it disappears and when adam completes the lift it’s back on the bar magically. It’s called editing people. Any person who could not see that there were several clips being edited to use together is a few fries short of a happy meal. It’s the law of diminishing returns on the 225-pound bench press test. The more time he would spend benching a weight that is nowhere near his 1-RM, the more endurance-strength oriented his training would become. You ever seen a 300-pound powerlifter try to do 50 push-ups? It’s not pretty. It’s not fair to compare jay’s training to other trainers who do combine prep and train athletes. It’s very clear through his philosophies that he’s relatively uninterested in the kind’ve strength development that so many other trainers are interested in developing. Those are just my two cents (or $100 bucks).
Terrell Suggs…was that before or after he ran his 4.9 at pro day at ASU??
In fact …here’s an excerpt from the website Mo Streety has:
Terrell Suggs (Ravens) joined us after sub par performances in previous camps. His speed and conditioning rejuvinated, he was picked by the Baltimore Ravens.
In 2004, Skyler Fulton joined after running a 4.6 in his first combine. Three weeks later his timed improved to 4.3.He ended up in the Colts training camp. Speed camper Jason Shivers is now with the St. Louis Rams.
In 2005 the tradition continues with Jimmy Verdon (Arizona State), Mitch Meeuwsen (Oregon State), Lofa Tatupu (USC), CJ Mosely (Missouri), Roddy White (UAB), Vince Jackson (Northern Colorado), Jason Brown (North Carolina), J.J. Arrington (California), Craphonso Thorpe (Florida State), Kelvin Hayden (Illinois), Rob Hunt (North Dakota State), Kioki Fraser and a host of other prepared for upcoming NFL combines and Pro Day’s with Coach Mo.
Over the past year Justin Taplin, Martay Jenkins, Dennis Gile, AJ Justin and Herb Craft have all sped up their game and signed CFL and AFL contracts.
"Now I’m going to try to not be rude here, but I think you actually missed out on what was actually happening on that video. Schroeder is not helping him with two hands, he’s pushing down against archuleta!!! There’s actually a point in the video where schroeder tries to do it himself and archuleta says, “you can’t hold me” and proceeds to press through jay’s two hands and jay has to call the other two athletes present to help push down and keep the bar on adam’s chest. You know how strong you have to be to push through 225-pounds with someone else (especially jay schroeder, did you see his guns?) pushing down against the bar as well? "
Good post, SpeedKills. I don’t see how anyone who watches the Freak of Training video can miss this. Schroeder is not helping him. He is actively working to keep Adam from moving the bar by pressing down. He even explains that sometimes they do an iso then release method with a partner’s help… ISO for say 15 seconds at the bottom, then explosive reps with the weight.
The other reason is because he only got 31 reps on his 225 bench test… Ive done 27 reps with a measily bench of 360.
Even if hes super fast twitch 31 one reps doesnt strike me as being congruent with a raw 530 lbs.
Yeah but remember he can hold 225 a few inches off his chest for 30 minutes so he’s definitely got more then enough strength endurance. 
Just like there’s a bunch of white guys in Jay’s program running 4.1s
Definetly after.
I’ve never heard jay say anything about guys running 4.1’s.
That’s what he was talking about when we were in there…but it’s been a few years ago…that’s when I decided he was full of it…but it looks like some people are having success with him so that is cool. I couldn’t tolerate the guys personality…but some obviously can.
So this guy trained Mark McKoy did he???
Wow- now that’s just a bit much. How many others on that list are similar, I wonder?
Based on this claim, how do you define coaching? What is the minimum period?
Excellent question Charlie! Some coaches seem to believe a 5 mins meeting with an athlete is coaching or:
‘A friend of a friend of a friend etc use to train with Ben Johnson, I passed on my wealth of knowledge to a freind who passed it on to the other friend etc…’ I COACHED BEN:)
I just thought he was full of crap when he started talking about these 4.1 guys he had trained…then I looked around the gym and saw a couple ninth graders…nobody benching 500 that’s for sure.
Of course that was a few years ago.
With all due respect Charlie, we don’t know if he did coach Mark McKoy or that it was the same person were talking about. I think we should gather all the facts first before passing judgement. We must first ascertain whether this person was the same Mark and if he was at what time frame did Jay coach Mark? Then I’m sure you can contact Mark to verify or deny the claims after we find out whether or not this rumor has any truth to it.
Agreed. It sounds like a pretty damn big coincidence though. Google search doesn’t bring up another mark mckoy on the first 6 pages though, so…
At least when I watch a CF video and he says some times about Ben… I can know it to be true. When I go to a gym and somebody tells me they themselves are a 4.3…and they’ve trained several 4.1 guys…then I head for the shed to get the hipboots.
That’s funny you mentioned that. I talked with James Smith at the CF seminar in Vancouver and he told me that his bench press was 375 or 405 (I can’t quite remember the exact number) and that with a bench suit he was able to do 485lbs I believe. He also told me that other powerlifters with bench suits made similar and even better gains then he did with a bench suit but it all varied depending on the lifter.
Now I suppose James was spewing that off bc he had nothing better to do than to lie about his bench press! :rolleyes: Gimme a fuckin break! I doubt James had any reason to lie and I think Shaf maybe “you should do some research before spewing off about it”.
BTW, I take people’s thoughts on this as fact bc they are people I respect! If CF told me that he once handtimed BJ at 9.1 seconds I would take it as fact! I doubt CF has any reason to deliberatly lie so many years after the fact!
P.S. Maybe if I was as pessimistic as you then I would waste my time questioning every little detail about a person’s program or results including why his warmup took ten minutes as opposed to 9 minutes! I personally don’t see the relevence! You make it sound as if bench suits only add a mere 5 lbs to somebody’s 1RM. :eek:
A link to where Mark McKoy is listed as one of the clients?
From the above link, “Jay has trained
various athletes from many different sports.
He has worked with gold medalist hurdler
Mark McCoy, tri-athletes, and trained RIO
Head Coach, David Tait, during the 2000
Olympic Trials. Jay currently works with
many pro athletes in the NBA, NFL, and
MLB.”
So now all that remains is contacting Jay and Mark.
If this is true, than this is really really sad. I guess lying about training world class athletes is what Jay Shroeder and John Davies had in common and why they now hold seminars together! Again if this is true. If not disregard the previous statement.
Even if Jay denies the claims it seems funny that a website or newsletter will “mistakenly print a client that the coach (Shroeder) had never even trained or seen before”. It seems now that this is the norm and it provides an easy escape route when the coach get’s “called out (like JD on tmag)”. Expect more mishaps and misiterpretations!
One thing’s for sure- no one who never ventures outside the weightroom and onto the track ever coached any Olympic Track Champion!
In what time frame did Jay coach Mark, you ask? What? Are you fucking kidding me or what? Mark worked with several coaches throughout his long career including me in 1978,79,80,81,82,83, and 88 and all were track coaches. If he ever stopped in to a weight room and got a tip: (Lift up, not down)- that doesn’t count.
The same Mark?? The implication is clear when he posts the name. Also makes you wonder about that bench tape where he claims to be pressing down but appears to be pulling up (a neat trick)
It sounds like the horse training business…a guy steps on a horse once…all of a sudden he “trained that one” when the horse becomes a winner. How many trainers take responsibilities for failures too?..like…“man I screwed that guy up by changing his form”…or “made a mistake and overtrained this athlete” Takes kahunas to admit mistakes.
ELukas I do not think that they are talking about the freak of training video, I believe there was a short excerp on espn on archuleta and schroder and for about 3 second they show him benchin a big weight (500???) but jay has his hands close or on the bar as archuleta presses it, here it the video, quality sucks but watch archuleta do rebound benches with 225lbs for reps and do ghr from the floor with weight!!!http://www.arpprogram.com/resources/video/espn_feature.html
Thanks, asd.
Couldn’t get it to load right now. But I believe I’ve watched clips of ESPN Archuletta videos in the past. I remember the rebound benches and natural GHRs on the floor, but not the 5XX # bench.
I personally have doubts about his ability to bench 500+ RAW with a ROM of more than 5 inches, but just wanted to clarify the ISO-explode method.
Best wishes,
Erik