You might want to ask Shroeder on this one. The only other reason to crank it up before a lifting session is possibly when you are doing hypertrophy training in the GPP phase.
SVS! Ask away, BUT, Frying your muscles prior to needing them is STUPID. Can anyone possibly be unclear about this??
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CF and SuperVenon here is a funny article on what they do at evosport with EMS, also CF I did not try cranking myself prior to lifting but I did assume that it might cause me to drop the weights on my face while trying to bench…luckly I only max on the bar so damage to my face will be minimum 
"-- there’s nothing like a little electro-shock to get you juiced about the upcoming NFL season.
While I was hanging out in Phoenix this summer researching a story on Rams hybrid safety Adam Archuleta, I spent a morning wandering around the gym where Arch trains up to six hours a day during the off-season. It’s run by trainer Jay Schroeder, (not the former QB) who created the Russian-influenced system that has transformed Arch from a skinny 170-pound high school reject into a chiseled 205-pound missile launcher with a 530-pound bench press, 4.37 speed and the prototype skills for a new generation of do-it-all NFL safeties.
Arch hates the notion that he’s a Caucasian mutt who – goshdarnit – just wouldn’t give up on his lofty dreams. The truth is, to get to the top, he’s spent most of his life during the last eight years sequestered in this gym being, literally, tortured by Schroeder. Actually, it was longer than that. Before Schroeder would agree to train him, Arch had to measure everything he did for six month – including his waste.
Then the real fun began.
‘The training feels like a pipe is being driven three feet up your butt,’ says the soft-spoken but intense Schroeder, the scariest man you’ll ever meet in sweat pants. ‘Then you have to stay there for 15 minutes.’
Okie dokie, I thought after hearing this.
Like most trainers Schroeder is a good guy, but a tad prone to hyperbole. Arch doesn’t just work on his chest, he does exercises that are ‘the equivalent of 3,000 bench presses.’ Schroeder isn’t just fond of his star pupil. ‘I love him,’ he says. ‘I would die for him.’
It was then that I noticed what looked like two little electro-shock machines in the corner of the room. In my head, I was thinking don’t ask … don’t ask … don’t ask. But, of course, I blurted out, ‘Hey, what are those?’
As part of his training, Schroeder hyper-fatigues muscle groups by juicing them with, he says, ‘more frequency than most humans can endure.’ Indeed, a website for these types of electric-stim machines boasts: ‘NO surface burning or surface pain at 0 to 2.5 watts.’
The Thighmaster, this is not.
As the physical demands on NFL players increase, so, too, have their off-season regimens. I’ve watched Donovan McNabb work on his drop-backs in the desert sand in heat that had people around him yakking into trash cans. I’ve seen Jags’ safety Donovin Darius train with an Ultimate Fighting champion in a gym littered with bloody bandages. Mike Vick spent so much time working on the West Coast offense this summer that he barely had time to use his fishing boat, ‘Bad News.’
Jerry Rice runs his hill. Texans center Steve McKinney works 12-hour days in the off-season training and running his businesses. Last summer, Bucs coach Jon Gruden came to the team facility at 5 a.m. and saw Derrick Brooks running wind sprints in the dark.
Some guys go to speed camps. Some train at altitude. Still others get their blood checked so that nutritionists can determine the exact foods they need to eat for maximum performance. (I’ve done this, by the way, and it came back PopTarts, Mountain Dew and bar-b-que Fritos.)
This summer, all-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez went to extremes to keep his mind sharp. He spent a month in Mexico in an intense Spanish language immersion program. While ‘reporting’ on his ‘training,’ I knocked back some tequila that the locals guaranteed would not give me a hangover (wrong) while I watched Gonzalez get twisted by a leopard-suited salsa instructor in ways that would make Ray Lewis jealous.
‘I feel as refreshed and ready for the season as I ever have,’ TGon told me.
But for an underdog like Arch, the lengths to which he must go to keep his edge during the off-season have become, well, shocking.
As I observed from a safe distance, Schroeder attached the electric-stim paddles to the biceps of Arch and the rest of the trainees – among them, the Colts phenomenal defensive end, Dwight Freeney. He turned the knob halfway; and immediately, their hands were torqued into grotesque knots and their arms moved involuntarily – the guys call this ‘playing the banjo.’ It was, to say the least, uncomfortable to watch and listen as the toughest athletes in the world whimpered, groaned and then screamed in agony as Schroeder continued to spin the knob like a sadistic Vanna White.
When it was over, Arch took the paddles and put them on my arms. Come on and try it, he dared.
‘Alright, what the hell,’ I said. 'Crank ‘er up.’
I was sure I could handle the pain. I wrestled in college and, let me tell you something, those singlets are no joke. A few weeks ago, I even played a whole hockey shift in my rec league after accidentally squirting some Gatorade up my nose.
Schroeder flicked the switch and my arms locked up at the elbows, palms pressing against my shoulders. Twisting at the wrist, my hands then made weird ghostly circles. It felt like lightning bolts were going to shoot out of my fingertips. The NFLers were already giggling when I saw Schroeder barely twist the knob past ‘on.’
‘OK, OK, ha-ha, I get it,’ I said.
‘OK, OK, ha-ha, I get it,’ Arch mocked me.
Ow. Yeow. ZZZZZZZ.
I think at this point, the lights overhead dimmed and flickered.
‘All right, all right – enough!’ I yelped.
Arch just smiled at me. Bastard.
‘OK, owwww,’ I said.
Bacon? Do I smell bacon?
The knob spun some more – or maybe it stayed in place and it was my eyeballs that were turning. Eeeeeeeeyyyyyeeeowzzza. Now it felt like I was getting hit by lightning – continually. I tried to move away to get the paddles off my arms. I swear the cell phone in my pocket was smoking. I was sure that my hair was going to look like the lead singer of ELO.
About to de-fibb, I thought about all the people who, this time of year, dream about playing in the NFL. But when you see up-close what these guys go through during what is supposed to be their summer vacation … well, hmm, maybe we should all be content with the torture and agony of fantasy football.
Finally (OK, the whole thing took like 15 seconds), Schroeder dialed me down and Arch took the paddles away.
‘So what was I? Like, 10, 20, 30 times higher than Arch?’ I asked.
My biceps felt wrapped tighter than two golf balls. The rest of the day, my notes looked like those scribbles that run off the page when you’re falling asleep in class.
‘Uh,’ said Schroeder, ‘you were at a little less than half what these guys do.’
That might be true. But it’s been over two months, and I still haven’t had to recharge my cell phone.
Did you know that Rams safety Adam Archuleta once did a ballet dance at a high-school talent show? … In The Mag’s NFL preview, we created a category of versatile dudes called Swiss Army Players (SAPs). But so far, I haven’t seen Dime One from the Swiss Army people."
ASD
Don’t wory about dropping the weight on your face. After a few sessions at the Chicanery ™ Gym/Lab/take-out stand, you’ll perfect your Bench technique so that you won’t smash your face in- you’ll merely crush your sternum.
BTW, has anyone pointed out that, with EMS, juice tolerance doesn’t mean shit and that the athletes with the most white fibre get maximal contractions with less juice and the only “clients” who run off the dials on EMS machines are the extremely obese women who try it in hopes of easy fat-loss.
BTW Did you add the Bacon commnt?? I swear I hadn’t seen this before- just heard war stories. Collecting shit? Surely there’s a need for a collection system. To go with the Chicanery™ ZAP-MASTER, we’ll need the CRAP-MASTER! (Ready to “colon” you whenever you need it!)
I read the same shitty thing about bill romanowski in SI. Apparently he sent it to a lab weekly via Fedex.
I’m sure a lot of people have been tempted to send a package like that off to someone- but try to resist the temptation!
CF I did not add the bacon part but in my attempt to be a tough ass I have cranked the dial up on my piece of crap EMS and well I will tell you that I must be doing something right cause after I went in and benched 55lbs for a 1RM PR :p, I did not have to go make myself a recovery shake because I had EMS’ed myself prior to the lift and turned my triceps into a crisp slab of bacon baby, I just took a bite in between sets, I call it the “Bacon Crisp” work out, not to be confused with the “Canadian Bacon Crisp” workout which would fry your Hammy’s prior to the lift!!! If you get that joke you must be a dork like me! or from canada!!! Oh shit I hope Davies does not read this he will jack the idea…call it his own, shit back to sanitational engineering! :eek:
Biologically Closed Electric Circuits, is a great book, the first to describe this phenominon and detailing, among many other things, the process of entrophy with injuries and the role of Ion pumps.
A strong case can be inferred for various forms of intervention from accupuncture to EMS, Iontophoresis etc, but it doesn’t lead to any conclusion about one type of equipment or the intensity of the stimulus.
In 1981, I worked with the world’s leading expert in EMS, Dr Cywynski, MD, PHD, etc, etc (forgive me if I’ve buggered the spelling after so many years) He was the President of the American Society of Electrical Engineers, Director of Medical Engineering at Harvard, MIT, and Mass General Hosp., and held over 200 patents for electrical devices. Before defecting to the west, he first began building EMS equipment in Poland For the Soviet Union’s sports teams in 1952. He remained unconvinced that a particular wave form could be claimed to be superior at reaching deep tissues and it was merely a matter of comfort. I’ve personally found the Compex equipment to be far more tolerable than the so-called “Russian Stim” wave forms.
In any case the Russian stim is a half-third of the cost of the compex; for $400 cheaper, I don’t mind a little discomfort!
They’ll both do the job
Surface Charge Theory. PhysioDynamics, Inc. developed this technology based on the work of Robert Becker (The Body Electric) and Nobel Laureats E. Nehr and B. Sakmann, in addition to Dr. Björn Nördenstrom’s studies. Becker determined that collagen becomes charged and forms scar tissue when physically abused, and Nehr and Sakmann demonstrated that cells communicate with each other electrically. At injured sites, cells embedded in charged collagen have their communication disrupted, preventing the reduction of inflammation and edema.
Is there any way to encourage inflammation or scar tissue? For example, somebody who has a partially torn ACL or PCL but it is not completely torn; furthermore, the recovery process from these injuries may take years if torn bad enough or almost completely torn. So is there a way to increase inflammation to set down scar tissue so that the PCL and ACL can heal themselves?
So far Prolotherapy has been introduced as one answer, Shark Cartilidage/MSM/Glucosamine/Chondroiten as another answer, what about EMS? Is there any way somebody can use EMS to create scar tissue on purpose?
Interesting study on EMS!!!
CHeck dis out if ya like to zap yourself at high voltages…it’s alive!!! :eek:
Does anyone know of any Ontario sources for this product, or any online sources? I checked but didn’t find much.
Tyrone
charlie said they used 3/4 or 1" ramp. And idont think that they couldnt buy a unit with less ramp time.
So it seems that you arent right…or i dont understand or CF used poor untits
Ramp time is a matter of comfort. the shorter the better in general. I don’t know what your point is but the .2 or .3 sec ramp times are well below the .75 preset we put in the units we had, which were a compromise, as the original units didn’t have the option to vary the ramp time.
so this sould be a great benefit, or?
But what is a sufficient current about?
whats the frequency on the neurotrac// can it give out enuff juice?
cheap & you dont need a script.
found neurotrac’s usermanul
http://www.physiosupplies.com/acatalog/Sports_XL.pdf
now i just gotta find a co. that will sell it to me, alot say they wont sell to us an canada