Considering the huge stress that deadlifting places on the CNS, linked to the use of the hands, I was wondering if, the use of lifting straps would help reduce the CNS load of deadlifts?
Straps would potentially increase the load to the muscular system,allowing you to bypass the safety mechanism respresented by grip strength. If the whole system is not up to the task on the given day,your failing grip would protect you from overload exposure and connected risks and implications,which cannot take place with hands strapped…
I thought he was asking if using straps for the same weights would give you the same effects on the body without the CNS drain by using the hands so intensely. It seems logical that any way you can reduce the demand on the hands in the DL will ease your CNS stress.
As far as the failing grip being a safety factor, I don’t buy that. Firstly, many athletes can grip much more than they can pull, so the grip is simply extra drain that doesn’t factor into their ability to lift. OTOH, many athletes with small hands or some other issue can’t safely work with the weights they really need without risking dropping it so straps are needed for top sets whether they are tired or not. So I don’t think the grip is necessarily an indicator of the whole system being ready or not.
I don’t use straps, but must use an alternating (one over one under) if I want to do significant weight (85% of alternating grip 1RM or better). My hands aren’t especially small, but not too big either.
I don’t think I agree with this point. You quite often see deadlifts being limited by grip. I experience it myself. It’s not a matter of grip vs pull, it’s grip vs the posterior chain surely?
To the general point:
why restrict the stress you can place on the lower back and hamstrings and other muscles involved, simply because you can’t keep the bar in your hands? Especially as we aren’t talking about powerlifters here. Deadlifting is not the goal, the effects of deadlifting are the goal.
The increase CNS fatigue is prossibly due to the lack of return the elastic system contributes to the pull itself. Not necessarily because the bar is in your hands.
If there is a concern about CNS stresses, would it not be best to drop the bar when at the top?
I can’t see why you’d want to even start down this road.
Just develop the grip.
As for dropping the Bar - why?
We need CNS stress and the lowering phase is even more effective in terms of motor recruitment.
Why do you say we need CNS stress?
You have to consider things together as a single issue (GRIP + PULL),not separatedly.
Wherever the tension chain fails,it points out the inadequate readiness of the system for the given task.
Straps would trick the system,removing some inhibition to a certain point.I would possibly use them seldomly with this in mind,not at all as a costant training tool.
Also you have to make sure an as appropriate as possible bar is in place for the individual beforehand.
Because if someone is worried about CNS stress, then dropping the bar will reduce it. It’s the same principle as seen in O-lifting - removing the lowering phase reduces the stress and allows the movement to be trained more frequently.
Also, why would you let something like your grip be a factor? It seems a little insignificant to me. Use the straps if you want, get the stress on the posterior chain. Unless you perform deads to train your forearms.
actually eccentric movements have a lower recruitment than concentric even though they are the more powerful of the two. this has to do with the biological effecientcy of eccentric contraction.
generally it is excepted that stress or a stressor is needed for adaptation. there are i believe certain circumstances where this is not true in the pure sense, as in stress generates a temporariy negative response (soreness, decreased motor ability)
I also think it’s insignificant. I think straps are good for people with tiny hands and skinny fingers. Also, I think it can improve technique because there’s one factor less to focus on.
As James said - to adapt & improve and improve neural efficency
Ok - But why just concetrate on the concentric phase? just to reduce the CNS stress?
Wouldn’t it be simply safer to drop it?
Ok - drop it, but I can’t see how dropping a weight is safer than controlled lowering under severe tension?
More recruitment - it’s still strength training isn’t it?
The grip issue - ok use straps if you must - but why not just train the grip too - espcially for team sports.
The grip issue - ok use straps if you must - but why not just train the grip too - espcially for team sports.
That’s a reasonable point - but that’s different than if it’s a limting factor for a deadlift. Train dl, train grip. But don’t let the grip hold the dl’s back.
I remember reading that grip was a show of overall organism strength, so would not doing deadlifts without using straps be a better idea, for overall strength.