Ok, I’ve never heard that before but anyway… so do the deads with your hands until your grip starts to fail. Then put on straps and keep hammering the posterior chain. That sound good? Works grip, doesn’t restrict deads.
This isn’t rocket science.
I really don’t see the point in worrying about grip strength within reason. I know people who can’t deadlift much more with straps (usually huge hands) and others, like myself, can deadlift much more when using just an alternating grip (or straps, etc.).
No - I think he’s referring to the CNS test where you use a hand dynameter (sp) to check grip strength as an indication of CNS fatigue
OK - reference this for me please … Enoka?
I myself use the alternating grip when using deadlifts.
Yes I am refering to the grip test
Ok let me put it this way as I may be way out in left field with this. Why use straps when doing deadlifts when you have the oppurtunity to train the overall organism strength. If grip is an indicator of overall strength and not using straps strengthens grip why not continue this. If the sole purpose was increase deadlift strength for powerlifters I could understand. But as sprinters we want a strong posterior chain as well as an overall strong organism. So why not use this oppurtunity to train it all. As it may help translate to better track speed.
Thoughts Suggestions?
You’ve got that the wrong way around. Grip strength is more necessary in PL as they actually have to perform the deadlift as a competitive movement.
I will assume that everyone here is using a dl to increase posterior strength to help with sprinting. Not to have a big deadlift.
I don’t like this association between grip strength and overall strength. And if we really want to get into it there are many types of grip strength - supporting strength and squeezing strength are not the same thing. So a dl and a hand test are not comparable.
We use dl to stress the posterior chain. You can’t seriously say that you’ve going to allow this to be restricted by the supporting muscles in your forearms - which you aren’t even concerned with training for you sport. Are you?
If not using straps means that you’re not able to stress the lower back and hamstrings then it seems silly.
Does neural efficiency improve maximizing or minimizing stress?
If you are just interested in training the posterior chain I agree with you 100% and using straps or alternate grip to minimize grip weakness
My thoughts were that dl seems to be more of a whole body lift (not as envolved or as explosive as cleans) the grip would not just be a weakness of the flexors, but of the supporting muscles in the upper body. So why not enovlve the body when training, especialy when sprinting envolves the whole body.
Maybe I do train the wrists, but thats when Im alone and im bored.
its either enoka or siff cant remember exactly and ithe us postal service fucking lost my enoka copy en route to florida so i cant give you a page.
depends on what you mean by neural efficiency, when i use the term it is in reference to movement and motor patterns.
In reference to the deadlift, I remember a talk I had with the late Dr. Siff at his strength camp years ago and he mentioned that the deadlift was simply one form of “pull”. He had us performing many different types of pulls. Conventional or sumo deads were simply two styles.
We also performed speed pulls from the ground, pulls from above the knee, at the knee, below the knee, from the rack at different pin settings, from the top of a box or bench like I’ve seen the Polish lifters using on an Ironmind training hall tape, with different height pulling blocks, both clean and snatch versions, with and without a hook grip, with a shrug, up on the toes, flat-footed, iso-versions, fat grip bars, and the list goes on.
I only mention this because it seems from the many posts that most of the discussion is based around one type of “Deadlift”! So, maybe we should clarify what type of deadlift we are talking about. Just a thought!
And how stress can actually improve movements and motor patterns? Exactly my point!
Wouldn’t we be better off improving neural efficiency (as from above definition) and hence performances with the least perturbation of homeostasis possible (least stress),if any?
Train the bio-electric,keep the biologic as silent as possible…
Sorry for moving the thread awy from DL and CNS discussion.
NO MORE.Promised.