Just a thought here…
I long jump, run the 100 and 200 and the Long Jump is always going on at the same time as the 100 trials which makes me run around like a chicken with its head cut off busy changing shoes, getting my run throughs in on the long jump and practicing block starts. If its a real big meet i really loose focus so i always do the 200 but pick either the 100 or long jump. do you think that has anything to do with the 200 lj correlation?
Just a thought here…
yeah i also realized this but i thought it was a little more complex, jeez maybe there might be some science involved.
i guess i think too much
I think its also an issue to do with rhythm and beung able to build rhythm on the bend, similar to why long jumpers make good 100mh/110mh. It also has to do with the similar action at take off and as you take off over the hurdle when they hurdle/lj.
I think the following will happen this season in terms of Zhanna and the return of Marion.
I think Zhanna will come through this year and beat everyone and run 10.79 to win the final in Paris with a <+1.0 wind. She will be world number 1 in the event and could medal in the 200m also.
Then Marion will return in 2004 slowly and take a few beatings like Cathy has lately. She will slowly build taking the last spot in the USA team for the 100m and that will be her only event. She will then come through the rounds cleanly but not finishing first. She will then come into the final and get a killer start to hold off Zhanna’s midrace surge and they’ll run shoulder to shoulder the final 30m and Marion will dip to win in Paris with 10.83 to beat Zhanna 10.85 like she did in Athens in 1997.
If i were close to Marion I would advise her to run the 400m in Athens. 4 races in 4 days will be tough but after returning from such a long lay off means she might have to be too careful with the speed work required to go 10.7/21.8 and rather than risk injury and the Olympics all together she should go the 400m to add to her 100 and 200m golds in 2000. She has the speed base to beat current World number 1 and it would raise her profile further with her going for different event to when she did the drive for 5 in Sydney.
i see you have really given this much thought! you gave us a detailed synopsis of what is going to happen. Look into your crystal ball and tell us what is going to happen in the mens 100!
The mens 100m is crazy, thats why it is the best event and what happens every wants to know.
This season i think will be crazy, there won’t be a clear favourite leading into the world champs.
But something CRAZY will happen in the quater finals, shocking shit, (watch paris and beleave me.
Originally posted by TJ2K
[quote]Originally posted by Charlie Francis
There is a clear connection between 200m and long jump among top athletes.
can anyone explain this to me? I have also noticed that a lot of LJ/TJ people would rather do the 200 than the 100. [/quote]
also, the longjumpers used to do 6 round competitions.(still do this or have the new preposed rules come in?), this may have lead to many long jumpers doing spec endurance work, not just general anearobic capacity work. Yes, rythm has a lot to do with it to. Long jumpers know what a gentle acceleration is and they know what v.slightly sub maximal sprinting and saving something for the finish is.
As a side note, I think one of the reasons for Carl Lewis’s comparitively gentle acceleration was becuase of all that long jump training.
The connection is that in the 200, the acceleration phase is not as important as in the 100, so as a rule, the 200m specialists can be a bit less heavily muscled than the 100m guys. In effect, the muscle weight works to get you up to speed, but once you are at top speed, it is simply along for the ride and the reactive properties of the leg complex is much more important. In the long jump, less muscle mass means a greater ability to fly farther. In addition, acceleration capabilties are not important for the LJ either.
In addition, acceleration capabilties are not important for the LJ either
cant say i agree with that…
although the accelaration is smoother in the long jump because you are allowed to take as many steps as you want to get up to speed i still think accelaration is extremly important in the long jump becasue you want to be at around max speed within 7-10 steps. (im refering steps that you count/ i take 7 rights for example).
Can someone post the link to the archive discussion on this topic (200m and LJ)? We had an extensive look at this.
BTW, I speak from experience when I say that when Marion comes back, her competitors better hope she chooses some event, or events, other than their’s. If they want to win something, the time to do it is NOW.
Please have a look through this thread posted by the one. There is a massive topic there and we’ve just scratched the surface!
I know this is ceratinly true in the longer end distances Carson - (and not judging Marion - I couldn’t doubt her at all an true exception ) - but is it the same for the sprints?
I don’t know what is happening, Charlie ask that we read the above link that was provided so we can start a discussion on a topic that he considers massive and unscratched, yet no one has picked it up.
Yesterday the 25th makes it one year since I’ve been posting on cf.com and I must say I miss the days when I could read a thread and find great reponses from guys like Clemson, Pioneer, Dcw23, RMT, Noendurance and the other guy…whats his name…oh yea Charlie. Those days I would be up all night trying to puy together the information from that day. Now I am reading about some dude trying to find the right color sweats to match his shoes.
I am not saying all work and now play,but if we continue to play as much we will loose what seperates cf.com from the other forums. We have the greatest mind in sprinting on this forum, so can we get serious.
Read the link:
To add to Charlie’s question, how might you integrate plyometric work, with an emphasis on the horizontal component (e.g. speed bounding), within a speed endurance session for instance? As opposed to pure jump training, with emphasis on vertical displacement, within an alactic speed session?
I realize from the reference, that the former is not preferred. Are there any plyos that have a horizontal emphasis, aside from pure sprinting, that fall in a similar CNS demand state?
Honestly, how can you get through all this information? There is so much on this site that I literally have to spend hours at a time trying to read it all digest it and then come to grips with it. Please don’t ever shut this site down. It would be a huge blow to the athletics community. Just don’t tell anyone that my teams compete against about it!
Originally posted by TMSSF
To add to Charlie’s question, how might you integrate plyometric work, with an emphasis on the horizontal component (e.g. speed bounding), within a speed endurance session for instance? As opposed to pure jump training, with emphasis on vertical displacement, within an alactic speed session?.. Are there any plyos that have a horizontal emphasis, aside from pure sprinting, that fall in a similar CNS demand state?
i think i touched on this in the old forum but bounding on the grass or track over distances of 15m - 50m with and with out run-ups have been beneficial for as a complement to top speed work… i’ve used them intra- and post session.
Whoaa! Shumon maybe you should be a rappin’ fortune teller. Seriously, that was pretty amazing.
One of THE best threads ever. Just wanted to bring ist up again…
Did you mean making sure the elbows stay open and don’t reach too much of an acute angle?