yep.
Derry Willis, Karuah, 80 year old does manipulation/realignment (from the back of joints) I have seen people who fly from Adelaide and back just to see him). I had a cool bath with ES and 2 days later rang Derry to ask him why I still feel like I have been mauled by a bull. His comment was you young kids always have to reinvent the wheel, do it my way or put up with the pain, it will go in about 4 days anyway.