What is the highest c.n.s stimulation exercise in the world?
Per movement(rep), such as a jump or sprint stride or a rep in a particular weights exercise, or type of throw (light or heavy ball), or a type of plyometric jump. Maybe even it might be something else. A shot putt throw or a hammer throw for example. A fast kettle bell lift?
A “woodchop” with a long hammer? Hurdle bounds, alternate bounds?
How about something crazy like a negative 1 rep deadlift (@115% of 1rm) taking weight of racks and lowering it to floor?
Or is it a somersualt or something?
For the purpose of this thread, lets not bother to much with what’s safe/ what’s risky and whats not convenient (for now) etc. Even if it’s something you wouldn’t place in your training program for sprinting (we can modify any exercise).
As a theory /ponder or education thread only, not nessesarily a “what to do” thread. (so don’t hold back with those ideas, lol.)
Seriously, I’d like to know/hear of/or see the highest c.n.s loading exercise/movement in the world, even if it’s something wacko.
I posted simmilar question about 3 years ago, but it didn’t get any response. Hope I get better luck this time, cheers Goose.
So the adrenalin factor can enhance the c.n.s activation leval?
Man, perhaps I should stop training alone…
Maybe I should get a Gorilla to throw shit at me, lol.
No, it’s interesting you mention this. One day I was chased by a gang of 8 “hoodies” weilding bike chains etc…
Ofcourse, they didn’t catch me, and i had so much adrenalin pump after the sprint that i nearly felt sick.
The next 2 day’s I measured my thighs to see if adrenalin had impact on hypertrophy (I conclded it didn’t). Maybe I should have timed myself in a 60m sprint 2 days later, but then, the street sprint was about 200-250m and maybe not conductive to a 60m sprint time. (street gangs get puffed out ofter 80m ).
Adrenalin definitely has a factor… heck there have been similar times for me where i will have hopped a fence or something and thought the next time I saw it, “how the hell did I do that?”
I remember a gymnast exercise called the “frog.”
The one where you support all your weight on your hands and bend your legs, lifting feet OFF the floor. It is an intense isometric stress on the abs and shoulders, especially for long legged people.
Some guy on this very website a few years back, swore it improved their bench press PR.
A) 1 rep C&J with 95%-100% of 1rm or B);
B) 2 reps of eccentric deadlift with 120% of 1 rep max, lowered to floor from racks. (the clean & jerk is really 2 main movements, so 1 rep is really 2 reps, so that’s why I mention 2 reps in the dead.) Which is more stress to c.n.s.
are you sure C&J is the highest weight room c.n.s stress possible?
Is a 60m sprint more stress than a hammer throw or shot putt throw, long jump, triple jump, pole vualt or high jump?
Is it more c.n.s stress than 60m hurdles.
Is it more c.n.s stress than a gymnasts run & vault of the box?
within the parameters of what is appropriate for sprint training yes. Outside of that I don’t really give a shit. That said I hear a depth drop off a cliff gives the CNS a bang :rolleyes:
Adrenaline is almost everything in regard to what is being discussed here.
Maximal sprints and drop jumps would be the highest stimuli,considering their height and breadth according to Charlie’s definition of CNS stimulus.
But I wouldn’t jump of a cliff, that would be a silly idea. You could end up with broken legs and that would not enable you to sprint anymore.
I’m never going to post the numbers of the Olympic lifters in the clean & jerk, and even if I could, it might not make me a sub 10 sprinter.
I was wondering if there maybe a higher c.n.s stimulus than either of those exercises - sprints and Oly lifts, which I could add to my training, to atleast experiment with.
You can try coupling concentric only maximal deadlifts and drop jumps,just make sure you are able to purposefully plan and manage the stimulus well beforehand…
You can co-ordinate your body to do almost everything,if it is PREPARED for it…
There are certain extreme boundaries,of course,but we can calculate them,and probably still have to explore them fully.
I remember a gymnast exercise called the “frog.”
The one where you support all your weight on your hands and bend your legs, lifting feet OFF the floor. It is an intense isometric stress on the abs and shoulders, especially for long legged people.
Some guy on this very website a few years back, swore it improved their bench press PR.
You got it, i think you are actually talking about the tuck plance, the frog is a slightly easier version where you use your legs to support your arms from the outside.
So, in this regard, are you in favour of (a version of) Barry’s protocol? Or let’s say you could go a step back with the jumps (e.g., upwards only to start with)? Thanks!
Now I like that deadlifts are being supported in this thread, but what I like is not important.
I don’t doubt you for a second here, I would just like to know why concentric only would be better than concentric followed by eccentric lowering rep.
I realise it is actualy hard to safely lower a maximal or even near maximal deadlift, but I was thinking you could turn the lowering phase in to a romanian deadlift for example. lowering in that fashion would be safer than lowering from the conventional deadlift grip and stance.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way, sort of thing.
Although the concentric rep could be sumo or standard technique which allow more over-all stimuli than other dead techniques.
Was your reasoning to omit the lowering phase a point of safety or other?
Or perhaps the drop jumps are far more functinal eccentric and c.n.s stress than a “lowering” deadlift?
Max deadlift and drop jumps sounds like an awesome combo to me, and yes I would deffinately prepare well in advance!
(As a side note; I posted on the “3 rep…” thread a few months back, as to why I believed even 3 rep squats were not enough intensity to warrant me including them in a program for sprinter. But MAX deads and drops, gets me interested as would other simmilar levals of stress, if there are any.)
Ofcourse I would go absolutely ALL-OUT no more than once every 10 days.( Blue = break up the monotomy )
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