As with any coach or program, you don’t know the full story unless you’ve lived it yourself.
Attending a few sessions here or there can be quite misleading.
A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing! :rolleyes:
any thoughts on george williams? 2004 us olympic coach and coached antonio pettigrew and jerome young at least while they were in college before they moved onto trevor graham?
I’m sorry but have never met George Williams. Can you inform please. Antonio and Jerome were fantastic athletes well before they joined TrevorG, so he must know his stuff.
By the way, apologies for taking so long to reply. I was on a call with John Steffensen - about a few training-related matters and then I asked him whether he ran 8x200 after a 400 race referred to earlier in this thread. He said he Did. nuf said?
I call shennanigans on both of those workouts.
Also I take Wariner over Moses in the 800, I wish we could get those espn simulations from Rocky in here.
well williams is a local guy, coaches at a division II college(St. Augestines) about half an hour away from where i live, he’s been at it for a while, i think 25+ years at the same school. He has coached a few olympians as well as the olympic team(which is more of a caretaker role but still…), so i was just wondering if you knew of him given he’s had a bit of success at 400m.
At the moment he has a guy who competes in all 3 jumps at the college nationals level(divison II but still) so i think he must have a pretty well rounded knowledge of the sport. He has had some 3:05 4x4s by his teams in the past and they’ve won multiple national team titles both indoor and out with realitively well rounded contributions from both the sprints and the jumps. Also he doesn’t coach at a school with much of a drawing power, the facilities arn’t even that nice when compared to their main rival(who is 15 minutes away).
Jerome ran 45.01 in high school, i’m pretty sure he went to St. Augs because of grade problems and was one of the best prep 400 runners of all time. Pettigrew was more in the 46 range in high school but still a great catch for a small school like St. Augs.
Also, pettigrew was an assistant and was reportedly Young’s coach while young ran for st.augs. Now Pettigrew coaches at UNC, but hasn’t had anyone turn in any great preformances, but with the recruits they bring in for the sprints, the notion that you cant turn horseshit to diamonds holds true. Pettigrew also was coaching at a local high school recently and at least some of the people who ran for him are still in high school but probably arn’t the best source to know exactly what type workouts they were doing.
One last tidbit, Obea Moore was supposed to come to St. Augs, but his mom wanted him to go to junior college so that he could transfer to USC after a year. That didn’t quite work out.
Basicly i was just inquireing if you knew what general approach Williams had/has his guys follow?
As for the steffenson workout, maybe i can diffuse the situation here, and offer that since he obviously did the workout, he did it on the warmup track?
edit: sorry for the length, i was just trying to give a summization(if thats a word) of george williams/pettigrew.
double edit: wikipedia says Young is now coaching and teaching at a local high school.
also trevor grahams son runs at a local school/is getting a football scholly. he ran 10.5 and 21.4
and i saw marion jones and obadle thompson at a local high school season opener this year. i would have probably seen tim monty somewhere if he wasn’t in jail.
Your statements are totally inaccurate, Nov-March over 4 years exceeds a few sessions.
If your so hell bent on believing that he did 8x200 go for it, what said to the media and his circle of friends are a different story, go on believing in your myths. OH yeah when Miss Finland won the Golden slipper in 2006 he passed on tips from Allan Jones and David Hayes, don’t tell me you got the tips too!
In your case a lot of knowledge is even more dangerous :eek:
i was just reciting what i’d been told.
again, the same guy told me about an 8.5h relay split on a 4x1. I mean, the guy did end up running 20.0w and 10.0w and ran in the olympic trials, but 8.5h in high school. haha.
do you have a job besides watching atheltes workout?
Yea, I know I wasnt saying anything against you, not trying to kill the messenger, I have no doubt he told you that.
he did have some other story about moses though, about how he and the #2 at 400h set up a FAT TT and both dipped under the old WR. dont quite know what to make of that either.
Kitkat,
You couldn’t be further from the truth with this matter; I refuse to legitimize my argument by name dropping as you do. Go on believing in your fictitious myths and fallacies, if thats what you need to do.
its just 8x200, let…it…go.
No disrespect the post, but how can anyone with a 20.1 pr for 200meters be more 400/800 than 200/400.I never understood that…
I fully reckon Wariner would challenge the WR if he moved up to 800m. He’s proving at the moment that he’s got some of the sickest ever endurance capabilities of a 400m runner. For topline world-class specialists it’s ment to be:
2x200pb+3.5
which is:
2x20.19+3.5 =43.88
and this season would be:
2x20.35+3.5 =44.20
-with his 43.50 he’s at the very worst a (+)3.3-(+)3.2 - and that’s allowing him to be capable of a 20.10/20.15 200m at the moment - and could even be breaking the (+)3.00 barrier, and that’s unheard of in 200/400 runners.
Not to mention his build is perfect for the 8 and his natural speed would be devastating-he’d be easily able to keep his 400m speed in mid-to-high 44’s whilst building up the 800m specific endurance.
He’d be a 50/50 chance of getting the record.
Precisely what is YOUR PROBLEM champ. Who are you when you’re not conducting yourself like this?
Do us all a big favour, take your personal insults, heavy delusions, toxic attitude and remove yourself from this forum. See if you can set a record that way.
a “ficticious myth” … by definition then a fact?
name-dropping? who dropped darren?, who dropped steffensen first time round? wasn’t me, that’s for sure.
Why is it so far outside the realms of possibility? He has the light build of an 800m athlete, is obviously strong in the stretch and can run 7 seconds inside world record pace at 400m. With that kind of speed reserve running 50 flat would be a jog. I personally believe the only thing stopping him is the motivation to try.
Not sure the following is relevant to the discussion, but I thought the two sessions described as follows were darn tough, although they were for 1500 guys prior to the Sydney Olympics…
** Ngeny’s preparation includes some extraordinary training sessions.
“I did 10 times 400m in 54sec with 30sec recovery. I did that in the US in May when I was training at Stanford. That’s the hardest track session I have done,” he reveals.
El Guerrouj has done a similar session although his set of 8 times 400m in 55sec - “in the rhythm of the race” - with 2min jogging recovery between repetitions lacks the severity of the Kenyan’s pre-competition routine.
Calling a fictitious myth a fact would be an oxymoron. Myth stems from the Greek word mythos meaning story. So a fictitious myth may be interpreted as a false myth therefore it may pertain to a fact. In an epistemological sense, a fact cannot be derived from two false premises.
Philosophy aside, I have posted here since Jan 2003 and this apparent toxic attitude hasn’t earned me a ban yet and none of my posts have been removed. I don’t make personal insults here.
Direct from Marten Coe’s Better training for distance running
seb progressed during the session,
300’s
10 @ 41-42sec with 3min recovery
to
6 @ 38 with 90sec recovery
to
8 @ 38s with 45sec recovery
he also says,
a good 800 runner needs to be able to manage
20 x 200’s in 28-29 with 60sec recovery Before racing begins (seb used to do 30 x 200s in 27-28sec with the last 2 x in 23-24 sec)
also,
6 - 8 x 800s with recovery 1min 30sec all under 1;50s.
when seb achieved his 1.51.73, he did so with, 49.7 and 52.1sec 400’s.
the womens 800 record of 1.53.28, by laps of 56.1 and 57.2sec.
mentioned also, was What does it take to break the Current 800m Record? Of which they say Wilson K. has the best chance. it goes
the record breaker must master the essence of performing a long and continuous sprint after having first developed a sound endurance base. the endurance base is not created by long slow distance running, but rather by high end near Vo2 max stamina training. once vo2 max has gotten about as high as possible, the remaining task is to simply a quest in mastering tolerance of the attendant abundant and intense pain that accompanies a few sessions per week (for many wks) of longer distance intervals at very near to even greater that 800m race pace.
goes on to say;
the individual will have
extraordinarily stonrg will and matching discipline over several yrs of very focused traininig.
will require the knowledgeable coach to punish and still allow recovery and avoid injury.
a correct taper program is mapped out and correct races leading into it
correct weight training
the secret, is simply, sustaining power over the distance. correct wieght training, coupled with speed work on top of a very high level of endurance base fitness.