Your question was also filled with presumption. You yourself said in a previous post that you believed my potential answer would confirm to you that whites have inferiority complex in the sprints. You suggest in a previous post that whites don’t train as hard in the sprints as blacks becuase of “inferiority” complex. YOu then ask me the question; “who’s faster- whites or blacks?” to try and justify your reasoning! If I say that the fastest runners are black (which they are) then you are going to assume I don’t and have never trained hard. That is disgusting!! Just becuase I realize all the sub-10 men were black (I’d be fucking dumb if I did not realize) does not mean I don’t train hard! How dare you be so presumptous!
Knowing who the best in the world are does not mean you have inferiority complex and niether does it mean you don’t train hard.
If you assume whites don’t train as hard in the running sprints, would you therefor assume blacks don’t train as hard in the swmming pool becuase the best swimmers are white? I have done 25 + hours in a weak of training during a 10 month period and did it make me fast? No.
Results occur when work and planning meet opportunity.
Whites need encouragement and opportunity in the sprints just as blacks need the opportunity in the pole vault and swimming.
u don’t seem 2 c where i’m comming from. i know whites also put in some work bt they deffinently don’t train as hard as blacks because they don’t believe they will get the same results.
my question was y r they faster not who is faster. since u have not answered after asking it twice i presume ur answer is the classic genetics, body shape and longer tendons one. in which case shows that u have a sub-concious inferiority complex about ur sprinting ability.
it’s not ur fault and i’m not saying there is wrong with u because u and almost 99,9% of white sprinters r brain washed by almost everyone, coaches included, in2 think that way.
as i said b4 if u lose the race in ur head u’ll lose it on the track as well.
Let’s forget about rugby because it is not widely played by countries that have lots of west africans (aka carribean and usa). If we’re going to talk about physical ability, I don’t think it is even a comparison. Look at the post before. More than 10 US high schoolers have run sub 10.40 just last year and a lot of them played FB. Can’t say the same for rugby, where that is probably better thann the 10 fastest rugby players alive.
You’ll get no argument from me on that. I will clarify my post was in relation to the claim that all the great rugby and league players have been white when that is totally incorrect.
I do however think the Polynesian population is vastly untapped in respect to sprint performance.
I know some guys from Zimbabwe, if you were to call him black, he just would not talk to you! He is coloured… He does not associate himself or his race with the blacks. Basically, he is the colour of say Frankie F. I would bet there are a few guys in top 35+ that have broken 10s who don’t classify themselves as black, but coloured.
So let’s not all get on the bandwagon and say only blacks can run sub 10. Coloured can too!
Have we also forgotten about the yellow guy who has the record in the 110 hurdles?
And the Greek who was winning the 200m not that long ago!
Even in the females, white, coloured and black chicks seem to run just as good as each other.
Let’s not find excesses why we cannot run faster, let’s find solutions And run faster.
I do think that rugby is hard to compare with football, seeing as rugby is a constant game and has a more aerobic component. Good points made here. I think the fast rugby player was some white guy in aussie who ran 10.2xFAT. Sounds like a bit of a BS time but thats what I heard somewhere.
Look at their performances in league and rugby and 7’s due to their strength and power. If some of that were channelled into 100-400m it would be interesting.
Before saying this I think pietro was the man and was an awesome sprinter.
These are both valid points but you have to look at them relatively. Menneas record was at altitude 19,72 in mexico and can be looked at as a bit soft. This would have been beaten easily by marsh or carl had they not been messing around near the finish. Kenteris, yea another great sprinter but winning the olympics was a fluke, MJ and MO were not there, capel could have had a better start with his shoelaces tied, and ato had a crap lane.
Yup it would be interesting but the days of young polynesians wanting to be track superstars over all blacks seems a long way off lol…
in preparation modeling for the training of Borzov his coaches used data collected from Owens to find out why he was able to do what he could and what others cannot. I believe, but don’t quote me, one of the issues brought up was fascicle length, doesn’t really matter the point is I think we are getting into a shady area of opinion and stagnant progress.
all of our goals here, I am assuming, is to either run faster or discover methods to help others run faster. this thread is distracting us from our goal not because there is no useful information but because it is being sidetracked by opinion instead of productive discussion.
i implore you instead of making blanket statements based on opinion, ask yourself why can Asafa run faster than joe blow down the street. what about is neurology and biology allows him to do what others cannot.
decide what can and cannot be effected my current training methods and do not be disheartened by that which you cannot change as time and innovation in training methods can change that.
You trained 25 plus hours in a week for 9 months…? What did you do exactly? Was you lifting sugar bags? It means nothing. How did you structure this training? What did you do to try to improve week by week? What were your aims?
Less of this swimming thing…and that sport and this sport. We have heard these arguements banded around since the 1950s and 19th century when the Marques of Queensbury sowre that a black man would never win a boxing title… Hitler and Jesse Owens… At one point people believed that black people could not run long distances…well we all know what happened when the East Africans stepped into the mix.
Its this exact pigeon holing that has led to the status quo in Track & Field. Think of yourself as an individual, and approach your training needs as an individual not as a member of a race thats done well or not.
just remember 1 thing, michael johnson aslo ran at altitude, in fact almost the exact hight of mennea, in pietersberg SA, with the same wind 1.8 m/s following and he recorded 19.71 which is his fastest 200m outside the special atlanta track.
if the great mj could only manage a .01 inprovement under the same conditions, i would say that pietro’s record was not so soft. i mean
all the ppl u mentioned could have easily gone to a high altitude track 2 challenge the record , there was nothing stopping them.
tim montgomery went 2 the mexico stadium in 2002 2 make an atempt on the world record bt only managed 10.04A in the 100m. so give pietro some credit 4 his achievement.
Agree completely. Worry about the stuff that you can control not who your parents are. Yeah things like how one is ‘wired’ so to speak and their tendon length and insertions matter, but there is not a way to change that so who cares? Use the means at your disposal to get faster and see where it takes you.
I think people are on the wrong track considering tendon length and insertion deciding factors in whether and athlete will be successful in the sprint. break it down… at its most minute, at its most refined what is it that makes a person fast? ask yourself that.
When will they start playing the game? Rugby is much less about stats than American Football. In rugby the balance between physical ability and skill is much greater than in football where physical ability out weighs skill by a mile. Loads of people can run fast but can they to it whilst changing direction, handing off people, looking for space to run into and still be tactically aware of what is going on, all whilst running at full pace? No they can’t. The point being: a highly complex game like rugby does not rely on stats to produce great players, it is a completely different athlete that plays the game, different from American Football and most certainly Track and Field. The greatest rugby player at the moment is Dan Carter of NZ. A genius on the rugby pitch, yet no one in rugby knows, or frankly cares, about how quick he runs or how much he squats.
By the way, those high school kids you’ll bring would most probably run quicker than most rugby players, only because they’d be so shit scared of being tackled without pads and helmets and people blocking defenders.
