Often i read about manual therapy for muscle regeneration, post workout or post injury, but do you have any idea for nutritional supplement support?
(omega3, AntiOx, Mineral…etc)
Recipe?
jamirok
Fish oils, adequte protein, start with all the normal, basic things. You can get more esoteric and look into enzyme and herbal blends. But as Dr Leaf once said, taking good supplements with a bad diet is like trying to paint over a rust job.
I think that the anti-inflammatory blend that Dr. Mauro DiPasqule’s company has is a good product. Unfortunatly the problem is the customer service is aweful, they were rude and could care less when I talked with them. So as a matter of principle I do not purchase from companies like that. But it is a good product if you are looking for something for a specific condition.
Another good blend is FSI nutritions “Flexion”. Nothing fancy, my wife has some DJD in her knee from an old volleyball injury and it has worked well for her.
I agree with Chris - omega 3’s (1 - 3 grams of actives) a broad spectrum anti-oxidant also adequate protein/amino’s and adequate leucine (the BCAA that does the majority of the work, but needs a rich protein/amino medium). Also B-vites are critical for all of these to do their job. Best to take them shortly after the workout and to take them on a regular basis. They don’t work like an anti-inflammaory drug in an acute manner. They should be part of a regular program. Also creatine or Mag creatine on a cyclic basis could help.
Can’t add much to the good advice above …
Water
Protein
Omegas - (Fish Oil being one of the best pound for pound supps out there)
Anti-oxidants - from veggies
Multi-Vit.s - expecially Vit C & E
After that look at …
MSM, Glucosamine & Chrondrition
Co-enyzeme Q10
etc.
also, saw on another post that the combination of EFAs with Vit E is good…
Chris P: what is exactly the Dr Di’s product you are referring to?
Try doing a forum search for Fish Oil, this subject has been covered at length. The search function can be found third from the right on the forum’s navigation bar.
If anybody has questions about other features at the forum, please send me a private message.
Rupert
Apparently.
A (UK) company BeWell have a very good range of antioxidant and collagen regenerative products
no23,
I think were are forgetting a vital supplement for muscle growth and recovery
Boron!
I am sure it was just an oversight…
The product is called joint support. Its expensive and the customer service sucks, but I would rather spend more money on something that works. Use it for a mini-cycle and then move on to something more affordable.
Speaking of fish oils, carlson has a liquid fish oil that I really like. You can get a higher dosage of EFA’s without swallowing a bunch of pills. It has a lemon taste. Just dump a half tablespoon in a shake and drink away.
Chris P, no 23, thanks for these!
Boron is banned in Canada I believe, it used to be found especially in cereals until the omnipotent Canadian Gov’t decided it was not good for us! The reason is that it leads to an increase in testosterone. I remember seeing boron as an ingredient in many testosterone increasing 
supplements in a bodybuilding magazine.
From www.acu-cell.com,
Boron: I have not found a cell receptor for Boron (B) to date, and at this time, boron has not been
officially designated to be essential to human health, but it is an essential macronutrient for higher plant
forms, and there are some indications that it could be classified as essential for humans in the future.
A number of research studies have come to the conclusion that boron can be an effective addition in
[b]the treatment of osteoporosis, and that it promotes healthy bone metabolism, including efficient use of
calcium and magnesium and proper function of the endocrine system (ovaries, testes and adrenals).
There is also some evidence that parts of the world with low levels of boron in the soil have a higher
percentage of people suffering from arthritis in comparison to regions with higher soil levels of boron.
Some researchers believe boron to have estrogen-like properties (by raising plasma estradiol), while
other researchers claim boron to have testosterone-like properties, referring to reports of hair loss in
males following its supplementation.
However, since boron does not seem to offer any benefits with menopausal symptoms, it appears that
the estrogen / testosterone ratio may be in favor of a testosterone dominance. With boron now being
found in many multi-mineral brands, some individuals may feel that the hormonal effect (i.e. hair loss) is[/b]
a concern, so they should look for a formulation containing a lesser amount of boron, or none at all.
The trials I have run with boron showed clearly that it increases calcium and magnesium retention, but
at the expense of lowering manganese. Now manganese does have proven estrogen-like attributes,
and it is one of the co-factors crucial to help calcium uptake — unless manganese levels are too high,
which can result in calcium and magnesium loss. So realistically, the only circumstances which would
justify the use of boron for osteoporosis - or any other condition - are situations where patients suffer
from any type of liver disease that results in high manganese levels, which would otherwise have the
potential to cause calcium (and magnesium) depletion. ¤
Dietary Reference Intake (DRI) is a collective term replacing all other reference values such as
Adequate Intake (AI), Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL), Estimated Average Requirements (EAR),
Nutrient Reference Value (NRV), and Recommended Dietary Allowance / Intake (RDA / RDI).
Boron:DRI (RDA): noneTherapeutic Range:1mg - 15mg
Estimated median daily intake of boron worldwide from food and water is 0.5mg - 2.5mg per day.
Boron Synergists: Copper,
Boron Antagonists: Manganese, calcium,
Low Levels / Therapeutic Indications for Boron:
Claims of decreased mental alertness in men women and men past the age of 45, increased
magnesium and calcium requirements, decreased bone density, greater risk for prostate cancer,
High levels / Overdose / Toxicity / Negative Side Effects - Symptoms and/or Risk Factors:
Vitamin B6 / Pyridoxine deficiency, Vitamin B2 / Riboflavin-like deficiencies (skeletal abnormalities),
diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, anemia, dermatitis, ovarian / testicular abnormalities, edema, seizures,
gastrointestinal disturbances, fatigue, cold-like symptoms,
Toxicity is somewhat dependent on an individual’s kidney functions and may cause boron accumulation
in kidneys, lungs, bone, liver, heart, brain, fatty tissue, parathyroid and reproductive glands,
Boron Sources: Apples, pears, grapes, non-citrus fruit, legumes, nuts, wine, vegetables, avocado. ¤
I was joking about boron. Years ago some supplement manufactuers were misinterpreting/misapplying data from a study used with post-menopausal women and boron.
It has made in comeback in recent years because of some other effects it has on tissue healing, but it was really meant to be a joke, apparently it was a really bad one!
I won’t be quitting my day job to be a comedian…
Well I did leave out HMB!
ok - probably pushing it out a bit …
Interestingly I first came across Boron in reading an article about Jon Park’s training of Oscar de La Hoya and how it was being used for ‘nueral health’
It’s years and years ago so I forget the details but Jon Parks training then was very interesting and quite innovative - not sure how long they were together.
i’ve seen a few posts supporting HMB; not saying it’s bad, but from a friend of mine doing some research on BCAAs, Leucine seems to work better… or at least as separate supplements…
thoughts?
BCAA’s are very good.
Incidently - does anyone find them hard on the stomach?
Sometimes I find they rip my stomach after I have taken them?
Anyone else?
i’ve tried Leucine along with a normal drink in training; no problems at all!
it wasn’t for commercial purposes though, not sure if this has something to do with stomach upsets, or it’s just an individual thing…
I have had this problem also. Two possible solutions:
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Don’t take BCAA’s in pill form. I don’t know why but they seem to tear up the stomach.
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Use a product that has a low glutamine content. For whatever reason glutamine seems to cause bloating in a lot of people. Even with the higher quality brands.
I had to do both, but once I did it made a major difference.
I’ll try option 2
I don’t use pills dor BCAA’s
Usually I don’t include Glutamine with the BCAAs but now that you mention it I might have once or twice.
I’ll try that