Ross looks to bare bones

Originally my appraisal of the Lampton gift was positive. I offered nothing but encouragement at Lampton to JR & Nanny in regards to handicapping for future races.

However I was called an idiot for questioning the choice of therapist. After the Mingara run, I suggested that Ross was in 10.5 shape at best. Nanny again dismissed my concerns, suggesting that I was purely hoping for JR and him to fail. Maybe if more notice was taken to these points, than this Canberra fiasco could have been avoided.

Who wishes any coach or athlete to fail?

I won’t sit back and let the facts be twisted. No one even knew about the Skins event until I brought it. And I would have let it slide. People should be careful who they declare War on.

Obviously some mistakes were made, let’s move on, and hope that the same ones are not repeated. But let’s get one thing straight, I am not hoping for anyone to fail.

I was very surprised with the decision to run the demanding skins event. It wasn’t the best decision.

There is a worrying trend- Lampton Skins, acupuncturist, Mingara, Canberra. I really hope JR runs at least 10.3 at nationals, so he can see hope at the end of the tunnel.

Firstly, I am very surprised a battling 70/120runner trying to pick up a race on the pro circuit would team up with an international 44s 400m athlete. Different events and massively different standards. Looking at his results, it wasn’t the best decision. :o

Secondly my view is, based on my experiences, running at Lambton has little if nothing to do with how Josh ran at Canberra. It was a decision made at the time that Nanny & Josh thought was OK. Providing he got through it alright, it was just another step along the road to recovery. There is no right or wrong answer on it.

There is one massive flaw in Sharma’s arguments and its a recurring theme throughout most of the waffle he adds to this site.

His comments are based on his theories, mainly based on observations. From that he deducts whether it is black or white, right or wrong. There is no middle ground or grey areas.

He relies almost entirely on the results and successes of others to mould his view.
Consequently Sharma cannot imagine what it would be like to actually have to make a decision based on his own practical experiences.

He talks of trenches but he’s never been in one.

Not for him to look up from the start of the final at Central Park Stawell on Easter Monday, and feel the pressure and the weight of expectations of stablemates, family, friends and those who have wagered their hard earned.

Nor is it for him to know what it’s like to have to make coaching decisions on a day to day basis, sometimes getting them right but other times getting them wrong, but then being able to bank that information, so it can be recalled for similiar circumstance in the future.

Coaching can be a brutal environment with plenty of critics ready to lay the boots in when things go awry. My experience is the good ones survive and prosper. The bad ones end up bulldusting their way through, ruinig careers along the way.

One day Sharma might enlist in its ranks and really get the feel of being in the trenches instead of playing make believe coach in an athletic version of fantasy football hiding behind the safety of a computer screen, where his decisions can never be scrutinised.

You can only make personal insults because you lack the intellect to debate the issues at hand. You’re the kingpin of the Albany athletics forum, where personal insults are the norm.

You only lower yourself. Everyone’s here to read your below-the-belt comments.

Sharmer, you’re the one who appears to have introduced the personal insults to this once pristine board:p . Calling Nanny a moron in so many words is well and truly an ordinary effort, below the belt. There is so much about his coaching situation with Ross that you don’t have a clue about, yet off you go hitting out at him.

Speaking as a moderator now, Youngy has made a great contribution to this forum as a coach with a special understanding due to his practical experience and successes in a particular area of the sport - handicap sprinting over 120m. If you give respect, you might earn it in return. I have resisted drawing attention to the Reps points, but they probably do reflect the views of this forum with regards you and the Youngster.

dickhead’s dilusion : they’re just jelous…

show some respect

Those skins runs at Lambton could have potentially ended JR season. No one has answered the question as to why Nanny risked Ross in such an event. That is the question. The decision to race in such a format was a moronic choice. Why get someone early in their preparation racing 70m x5 from 90s recovery?

Notice that I stick to the topic, and I don’t deviate.

Earlier Nanny stated

“What happened was Josh was at the osteo’s and was asked had he had acupuncture before, then before he had a chance to answer he put in a needle in his calf, right away Josh’s leg lifted off the table"

To my surprise, at the Sydney Track Classic I asked Ross what happened with the osteo. He said to me that his coach sent him to a acupuncturist to receive needles, and they had hit a nerve. Note that Nanny did conceal this earlier, trying to make out that the osteo just randomly did it. Nanny is personally responsible for what happened. Additionally, Nanny conveniently failed to make us aware of these skin races.

P.S. - Don’t try and pretend to be objective when you’re standing up for one of your friends.

A good coach is always objective, how else can you force change when it is required. You get nowhere by accepting flawed work. I’ve sacked two Olympic finalists from my squad over the years so I can assure you I am completely objective when the occasion calls for it.

If Nanny has made a mistake, he will learn from it. If Josh has made a mistake, hopefully he will learn from it.

You may be right about the 70s skins coming too early in his season. But as I read it, Josh’s current situation owes more to off-track issues than any number of skins races.

How many runs did he have in this skins event? Do you think this is why he had to receive acupuncture? Did Josh want to run the skins? Did Nanny want him to run the skins? Sometimes athletes do things they’re not supposed to do, sometimes coach do too. It’s human nature. We all learn as we go, or try to anyway.

I was standing between Ross & Nanny and the decision was mutual. Hallem also supported this choice to run the Skins. It can’t to be totally pinned on Nanny. The decision to run was based on the assumption that Ross would not be conceding large starts to the other runners. Therefore Ross would pick up some easy cash.

When handicaps where don’t done. Ross had no chance unless he was in 6.5 e shape. He was eliminated after the first round. However if the handicapper got it right, than Ross would of ran 5 repeat 70m from 90s, which was a very risky proposition.

Sometimes in the heat of competition, we can get caught up in the moment. And we forget the bigger picture. Maybe that’s what happened by entering the skins.

I believe Nanny has been hyper defensive on here. Yes I am sure his friends on here are standing up for their comrade. However some comments have been derogatory and the standards have declined at times.

My experience in the clinical setting involves athletes recovering from a wide range of injuries. These include Achilles tendon ruptures to Knee construction or herniated disc. This year the number meniscal tear patients have been significant.

Clinical experience allows for a critical appraisal of the human body. You don’t have my clinical experience or understanding. You have improperly exaggerated the value of yourself in comparison to my achievements. On a daily basis I review randomised, blinded, and placebo-controlled outcome studies. This research is reviewed in order to follow evidence based practices.

I am way deeper in the trenches than you. Rehabilitation from complete tendon tears requires strong applied understanding of biomechanics and physiology. If I get it wrong, people just don’t run slow, they may never walk again normally.

Really there are no comparisons between you and me. Your achievements are dwarfed by my clinical experience and understanding of the human body.

PS- You continually refer to the lack of periodisation in my training. Its just shows how clueless you are. My training currently is in a extended general prep phase. Scared tissue requires repetitive loading at lower intensities to reform. I haven’t touched on my speed so I very happy where I am at.

Its hard if you don’t know how to motivate yourself. There are alot of successful sports people out there who coach themselves or are part of a one-to-one set up (Boxers,Golfers etc) Having a great mentor(s) is also a good idea. I’m lucky to have that in my armoury.

its was 3 x 70m btw if he ran them all…

who the fuck do you think you are, if you believe this your a fool…

this thread has become nothing but a pissing match now

And I don’t think you should have to be subjected to it when you provide so much for the community. Please can we just leave this now so we can discuss training rather than insulting each other. What is done is done and if there are lessons to be learned I’m sure we have learned them.

IF THIS DOESN’T STOP I’M GOING TO CLOSE THE THREAD. IT’S GETTING STUPID NOW.

sharmer,

you’ve really turned this thread, as well as the steffo one into gigantic pissing matches that you refuse to let end until everyone either capitulates and says you’re correct, or drops out and you win by default. but at present you seem to be pissing into the wind.

reading your posts its pretty evident that you know alot and can contribute alot and do contribute quite a bit. and i give you a big hearty thanks.

unfortunately with your sometimes obstreporous nature and propencity to bragadociah(sp), you really arn’t making friends or really showing yourself in much of any positive light at all.

1 last bit, your ability to misconstrue and twist pretty much every post into an attack on john steffenson is amazing. honestly, i’ve never seen anything like it on a track message board. makes me think you’re both felons or something. ligthen up man, its not you and JS vs the world.

all in all, its nice having you around and i hope you keep posting as much as you have been recectly, but here’s a plea that you at least try to be a bit civil, discerning and less belittleing of those who’ve done more than hold a stop watch for a 9th place finisher at worlds.

Yes good advise. My first 200 posts where purely on biomechanics, however that was on the old site and many of those members (Clemson, Dan Fichter etc ) no longer post.

I am more than happy to stick with training. I never directly used the words " fuck" or “fool” against anyone.

The skins format involved 6 runners, eliminated one by one. Until the final two raced off. Thats 5 races in all. Sometimes in fields of 8, the last two are eliminated until the final 3. Which means there are still 5 races.

No harm or insult intended.

Thats my favourite 2Pac song as a teenager. Me against the world. Blame it on 2pac. :smiley:

I should say album.

I’ve closed this thread because it is getting out of hand. I’d rather just see good training discussion rather than personal insults.

There are many things about this situation none of us know so i think wild speculation isn’t helping the matter.