I’m not trying to antagonize you, but please don’t be patronizing to the rest of us. There are hundreds of Olympic caliber lifters who have never trained anyone…are they not allowed to comment? Should we all qualify ourselves on every topic in order to post?
This is a forum that, at least I assumed, is intended to exchange ideas and opinions. As long as everyone does so with courtesy and an honest desire to advance their own, and possibly others, knowledge on the topic, I’m all for it. If the topic or question is beneath you, don’t respond. But please, I don’t need your permission, nor do I need to qualify myself to you, in order to offer a solicited opinion from another user.
Again, sorry if your pissed. And so as not piss you off any further, I won’t be responding to any of your posts on any topic, starting now.
Dan
Please don’t mis-interpret my post as criticism, I just think more can be done in regards to technique. I don’t have tons of video on hand that I can convert to movies, but here’s the link to two athletes with us: http://fdudevils.com/devilspower/pages/clean.html
Both athletes are cleaning from the floor, not the hang, but they are are a representative sample of athletes training with us. Disclaimer - the squat cleaner has since become an olympic weightlifter
Anyhow, the technique shown was explained/taught to me from Coach Tim Swords (Team Houston Weightlifting) and is relatively standard technique. Lifting the hips first (relative to the shoulders), loads the hamstrings/lower back, then progresses into a brush off of the thighs, and is supposed to end up in vertical extension. If anyone viewing my vids has paid attention to the comments next to my vids, you will see that I am not claiming my technique is perfect (as evidenced in my comment, “185 x 3
Going to train with Oleg [my coach] Friday and see if I can get my extension issues worked out. I’ll see if I can get some filming done then.”). Far from it, but I recognize that given my time spent lifting from the floor (about 3 months now) compared with lifting from the hang (as long as I can remember) my technique has progressed consistently. And I rotate the use of straps. Here, I’m using them because I’m trying to emphasize the pull instead of my grip. I don’t have problems with dumping the bar because I’ve done a 105-kilo clean and jerk so the loads I use in my technique work (here) are not challenging to where I’m in a dangerous position. I am now training a more russian style of technique that I’m sure many would disagree with, but my coach is a former olympian and is still nationally ranked (even defeating shane hamman at the arnold in a pound-for-pound competition a couple of years back).
By the way, does anyone really believe that it’s any coincidence this clown’s name (killspeed) is a play on my old screen name (speedkills). Who cares who it is? I’m honored that you disagree with me enough to confront me in such a fashion (true cowardice), and that you couldn’t actually confront me directly with your real name or with real training knowledge.
The fact that I’m generating such hate from people who are joining the site within the past couple of days tells me that somebody really hates my guts. As I have stated before, I wear my negative rep points with pride because I’m standing up for what I believe and for who I believe in. Defending a coach who has been pivotal in my own early development is not something I’m ever going to shy away from. And I do so using my real name, not bs like tsotsi, killspeed2, etc., who list their occupations as “criminal”, and “taking out boneheads”. Cowards!
If I was being torn apart by charlie, no23, xlr8, numbertwo, nikoluski, davidW, etc., I would be more concerned. Maybe they’re just waiting for the right time, though!
Ignore the haters and anyone who takes this to a personal level. It’s all about getting better and smarter, and the comments posted by some of the others above provide nothing in that regard. And…you’re a kid!!! What are you, 25? I thought you were a coach. Your posts are usually insightful and reflect someone who has done the research and understands what he’s talking about. Keep up the hard work…and ignore the personal attacks. They have no place on a quality forum like this.
Gee Daniel, Are you pissing off someone from another site??
The law of probability is: the higher the profile, the more the knocks. So take it as a complement that someone cares! (About what I have no idea!!)
I’m considering doing a little bit of competing. But my primary goal was just to clean 300 pounds. My coaches in Austin have convinced me that I might as well see how well I can do in the sport as a whole. I’m too tall to be elite, but I’m going to see what I can achieve. We seem to think these goals are realistic for the year:
I’m new to training from the floor (started in mid-December) and I’m even more new to the russian technique I’m learning (my coach is from Belarus) but my lifts have shot up recently and I’m excited about training with my group (OK Weightlifting in Austin, TX).
Thanks Charlie,
I know it’s hard to accept, but I’ve not come this far for lack of an opinion (early in my career). I am eternally grateful for the help of people such as yourself that have been helpful in my development. Such is life!
I’ll continue and I thank those people that understand my true intentions as a coach/athlete.
Dan can you please answer some of the questions (or show where I can find the answers) from earlier in the thread? Why is this technique optimal and better than traditionally taught technique
spur
I can send some of the training blocks that we use with our college team, but I’d do many things differently with teens…
Send me a private message with some details, and we’ll see what we can arrange…
With novices - who are playing other sports, and not weightlifters -
Front squat
clean pull from floor
clean pull from various heights
actual power clean, or squat clean if athlete desires it.
We’ll have them front squat and clean pull for almost their entire first semester before actually cleaning the weight. It’s critical that an athlete learn how to pick up any implement from the floor properly, and how to receive the barbell as well before they just start trying to heave weight all over the room!
1-RDL
2-Power Shrug w/Snatch Grip from Hang
3-Power High Pull w/Snatch Grip from Hang
4-OH Squat (Sometimes)
5-Power Snatch from Hang
6-Rack Position
7-Front Squat
8-Powerclean from Hang
9-Deadlift will be somewhere in this progression as well may be concurrently somewhere in the begining as one of our ME or SE exercises
10-Powerclean from Floor (Although we don’t even use this as much anymore)
I have found this much easier since with the Power Snatch seems to fix their pull and get them ready to powerclean. Either they pull forefully enough to get the weight overhead or they don’t whereas I have found when teaching the powerclean they can sort of muscle the weight up with an inneficent pull.
