This is from one of coach Boyle’s youtube videos. Any comments on this technique?
I think the comments there speak for themselves.
This is going to piss me off. There’s not one damn thing wrong with the performance of those lifts. Period.
They have been adjusted to meet the needs of the training environment, individualization be damned. Coach Boyle’s techniques have brought results for the past 25-30 years, so if anyone else here can claim to have half the success with ten percent of the athletes/coaches he has worked with, please comment. Otherwise, say what you want to say and discuss. This is a forum, right?
What do you guys think about the little squat and rock tech that girl number 2 and 3 are using? i really like girl number 1 tech.
I didn’t hear anyone criticize Coach Boyle, just the technique displayed in the video. And the form displayed is not classic oly and could be improved. Sorry if that pisses you off.
how could it be improved??
This says a lot about how some view others work. Obviously it’s not “classic oly”, if you read Coach Boyle’s work you’d know why.
What I meant was that when people view this with no idea of Coach Boyle’s philosophies/principles, then you’re obviously going to get a lot of “that looks like crap”. Please post an opinion if others here think they can do better. Herb (one of the moderators here) posted an instructional technique vid (on the power clean) to youtube and he was butchered by the idiotic group of individuals who goes through commenting on videos posted at youtube (with most having accomplished absolutely nothing themselves).
So, yes, it does offend me.
How would you improve the technique, yoda?
How and why have the lifts been individualized (optimally)? Why is this better than traditionally taught technique? Can you please point to Coach Boyle’s own words, if you have them?
The first girls technique is how I instruct my athletes to PC from the hang with one slight change. I like to use a quick dip and drive, rather than pausing in the stretched position before the pull. That may be done for a specific reason though? Girls #2 and #3 looked odd and I’m not sure why someone would use the “squat and rock” technique.
i like the pause before the next pull. if u only knew how many fb players hc like girls number 2 and 3, thats why there are soo many fb players who can hc 300+, i hate that squat rock tech.
for whatever reason, my audio isn’t working. I did, however, watch the video…
The “squat and rock”, or whatever we are calling is simply poor. Unfortunately, I see 10-15 athletes a year trying this, and we work to correct it. Why?
- It’s almost a guessing game tht the barbell will end up in the proper position, with shoulders in advance of the barbell. Thus, we se many athletes using straps as a crutch - and not a training aid- because the barbell is not in the proper position to finish the clean.
- These same athletes tend to have the barbell too far out in front of them. They will go to recieve the barbell on their toes, opening themselves up to injury.
- Allow many of the exercises in a program to compliment/have carryover to one another. OK, so not everyone will clean from the floor, but many will do pulls, RDL’s, etc. Get the athlete in the same position as often as possible, and they will become proficient at it.
- The hip toss that these athletes use works against them. They do not drive their feet hard and fast into the floor to provide the impetus to “propulse” the barbell (funny Russian term), they are simply trying to swing their hips and catch! If done right, they could use much more weight, with less potential back problems…
sorry about the rant!
many athletes use the rock tech so they can lift more weight, i see it more with fb players then other athletes.
Thanks for the replies. So what do the strength coaches here think about using Boyle’s variation of the Olympic clean in the video as an assistance exercise for training power in non strength sports? Also your thoughts on this exercise variation as an option for those trainees who do not have a platfom to drop the bar in the traditional olympic power cleans?
why would u drop the weight when going from the hang.
Well Rango,
First I’m wondering why you’re taking things, and making things, so personal? The original post didn’t mention Coach Boyle and didn’t ask for an opinion on his principles or philosophies. It asked for comments on the hang clean technique of these specific girls, nothing more.
How would I improve it? Like everyone else has mentioned, there seems to be too much rocking and swinging, making it more of cheat clean than a power clean. Also, why is the third girl doing that awkward little jump after the weight has already been lifted? Looks like an injury waiting to happen.
But hey, I come here to learn, so please enlighten me instead of getting pissed and popping off to anyone who has an opinion contrary to yours. Why don’t you explain the principles and philosophies of Coach Boyle that are in effect here. How do these deviations from the standard hang clean improve their effectiveness? If he is as good as you say, and I don’t doubt that he is, perhaps you could outline some of his methods. Or you can just get pissed.
what do u mean “Also, why is the third girl doing that awkward little jump after the weight has already been lifted? Looks like an injury waiting to happen” im trying to see what u see?
Look at the first two girls. Their hop is a coordinated effort to drop their hips and get under the bar. Watch their hips drop as their feet come up, almost straight up under their body. The third girl is kicking her feet back, with much less coordinated drop in the hips. The jump serves little purpose and because her feet are going backward, she has to bring them back under her to land. If she doesn’t get them fully centered under her when she catches the weight, it could present a problem.
too much swinging, feet kicked back…and the weigth resting above knees…
This is my last post on this thread. Anyone that wants to criticize, please, in this day of advanced technology, post video of at least 3 athletes you train that do better. I doubt if many who are criticizing have trained at least 3 in their entire careers.
I think before anyone can say whether it’s good technique or bad technique, we have to establish:
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what is the purpose of those girls doing hang cleans
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what are they trying to improve, change, etc
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is there a better lift, exercise, drill to get there
TNT