You are over-looking the most important part of all this, the kid does not believe in the coach’s methods. Everything else does not matter, how much progress so and so got, how much progress the average athlete coached gets, IT DOESN’T MATTER. You don’t believe in what you are doing then you are screwed.
Neither you, I or anyone else should be able to qualify Chib as to whether or not he knows what is good for him in terms of performance. This isn’t some 10 year old who doesn’t know what’s good for him and needs parental guidance. Bottom line, he doesn’t believe in what he’s doing and his results will show that if he stays with the coach.
Four years of your life is too much to waste on a “maybe” especially in a young man sport such as track, specifically sprinting. This isn’t powerlifting where you can pick up the sport at age 30, spend 15 years training and be at an elite level at age 45. If this kid is lucky he’s got around 10-12 years to get to a high level and maintain it, why waste a third of that time doing crap 1. you don’t enjoy and 2. you don’t believe in? Very few Donovan Bailey’s out there.
Along the lines of what James Smith said, this kid needs to take advantage of the fact that he’s knowledgable enough to have a belief in what will and won’t work for him, something VERY few college athletes have.
You see 2 weeks of his workouts, no nothing about the example kid besides his times and know there is no one way this can work for him.
Don’t know what workouts chib is going to be doing besides that they are “speed” workouts, don’t know anything else about his training, but know he will see results in two weeks come on now.
I agree, but then if this is such a big problem he should have looked into the coach before he went to the school. If he doesn’t think hes going to succeed then your right he won’t.
As from before these are my only concerns:
Do you think it is always best for an individual to give up on a coach if the coach does not have optimal training methods?
For example my concern in this situation is that the individual does not have enough self-knowledge to create a proper training plan. I believe it takes years to develop the proper knowledge to build competent training plans.
In my opinion, I do not question that this training is not optimal, I know it is not near there.
However, after choosing to go to this program and choose this coach only a few months ago, how does this individual now know how to go off on his own without a team?
A few sentences is nice to show dedication, but how do you know this individual will have enough dedication, knowledge, and proper training facilities to succeed.
Basically, how do you know even with less than proper training, that an individual who choose that training a few month ago can now go out on his own and succeed?
I don’t say this guy has great training methods or that Chib will succeed with him. If Chib has a greater chance of success with these barriers and he feels he can break through him then go for it on your own.
But bashing a coach because of a limited description you got from a kid that doesn’t like the coach in the first place is unfair. I said critique the two weeks of the program if you want, but don’t critique the coach without him being able to respond.
prior to the meet am doing speed workouts ranging from 80m - 250m with full recoveries. Am also doing a mile plus tempo between workout days. Are the miles going to effect me negatively?
6.7s in 55m not tryin to make silly excuses but i did a heavy speed workout the day before the meet. I wasn’t confident since we dont do speed workouts in practice. I put myself somewhere btw 6.57 - 6.64s
Am running 100 and 200m, but I want to focus on the 100m and establish a good time this first meet.
Workout
Sun - 4150m @ 100% full recovery
Mon - morning
- Weights (lower body)
- jog 1mile and static stretch
Evening
- Tempo
Tue - Morning
- 3150m @95-100% full recovery
- 2200m @ 85-90% full recovery
Evening
- 2laps jog and 2laps jog turn stride str8s
Wed - Morning
- weights (upper body)
- jog 1mile and static stretch
Evening
- Tempo
Thu - Morning
- 6150m @95-100% full recovery
Evening
- 2laps jog and 2laps jog turn stride st8s
Fri - Morning
- Weights (lower body)
- jog 1mile and static stretch
Evening
- Tempo
This is for the first week. Would you advice running distance more that 200m?
I ran the 55m only once this yr so i didn’t have much chance to improve on it. I also ran the same time my first yr in track and field (12th grade) and am definitely sure i’ve improved much more. Those are the workouts am doing on my own and am not running with the team this week because of a project. Also I have not quit the team. Am probably going to finish the season and think over the summer if I wanna run with the coach. Perhaps we can come to a compromise where he agrees to order some os CF’s books or I’ll do it for em.
You are the athlete and hes the coach im pretty sure hes not gonna compromise with you esp if you not one of his better runners. You better be glad im not your coach.
I Was the second fastest person at temple walking on the team. As of now I might actually be the fastest on the track team but the coach doesn’t know. I Continued with my weight program while others lazied around plus I shedded a couple pounds.
Thats the problem with todays athlete they think they know more then there coaches, shyt the school should hired you as there head sprint coach. What people must understand esp on this forum is just bc a school/coach dont follow CFTS doesnt make it wrong!!!
Also I think you may know too much about training because if you take some 19yr kid from the ghetto and put him into the temple training system im sure he would respond - you know why? Because he dont know nor care about CFTS, John Smith or Hart training system he just want to bust butt everyday and race!
Maybe, but he’d react a hell of alot better with an effective training system than the bag of shyt outlined earlier.
I can’t even begin to comprehend following a crap programme and wasting your best years, it’s rediculous.
I don’t want to cause offence but it seems you got a bit of a chip on your shoulder after some kid thought he knew better than you. Either that or you’ve been watching to much Rocky and Coach Carter, lol.
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Albert Einstein
CFTS isn’t magic and is simply a methodology created by Charlie’s critical thinking. Throw out what’s bad, keep what’s good- this is how you improve on anything in life.
When one steadfastly considers everything and believes nothing; the methods will change if results slow, stop, or regress. The status quo is challenged for better or for worse.
When one refuses to be open-minded then methods never change, then the rate of progression is fixed for better or for worse.
If things aren’t going well, then challenging ideas and taking a little risk is better than maintaining an eternal margin under one’s potential.
So, it is best not to associate oneself with insecure hard-headed people (as this coach possibly is) and have ANY type of relationship if one does not have to- fact of life.
I’m not a track person myself so as to the specific logistics I cannot give advice, but just think long and hard, and then control your destiny.
Tamfb, it seems that you don’t have any opnion to offer. You basically picked a position (side against the athlete) without any consideration. And I don’t think I know more than the coach, I followed his program dilligently because he said speed work will follow after the long runs but it never happened. Any kid with an average brain size would know that you don’t make SHORT sprinters do 45320m tempo (total of 6400m) to the point it becomes a workout, then the next day you follow up with a harder workout than monday etc. Tamfb since you think am wrong and am a know it all, would you train your athletes like so?
the majority of the time but in some examples, the athletes DO know better than their coaches.
I think it’s important for coaches to get feedback from the athletes whose opinions they know they can trust. Not necessarily scrapping the entire program but at least be willing to make adjustments if needed.
Chib why are thinking about quitting the team?
(As specific as possibe for all of these) i.e. time increase or stagnate if so at what, just dont like the look of the workout, etc.
If you quit the team what are the advantages and disadvantages?
i.e. better coaching, lack of access to meets, training facilities, etc.
If you do quit are you going to be self coached or coached by the man you stated earlier?
If coached by the man, what is his training like?
If coached by yourself, what will your training be like?
How is this training going to be better than the training you currently have?
I don’t want to cause offence but it seems you got a bit of a chip on your shoulder after some kid thought he knew better than you. Your right, i always get that one scrub who thinks he can do my job better then me. I have one rule, i treat everyone the same no matter if you are an all american or the water boy. the last time i had an athlete bytching about my workouts it had to do with me giving them too much rest time btw sprints so the next workout we did over 2000yds+ of tempo with very lil rest time and i was talking shyt the whole time.
I’ll say this i have learn that athletes who like to bytch and complain will always bytch and complain no matter what the coach do. You cant make everyone happy.
