Do you adjust your workouts based on feedback you are getting from your athletes or do you stick it through most of the time?
It depends, I say this bc i dont trust my athletes with a penny. I usually ask and get feedback from the athletes i know who work hard and will go to battle for me.
The most important thing I credit my coach with is getting me in ridiculous shape (by the way tambf, I could lick up your 2000yds+ tempo anyday). Now that am doing my speed workout on my own it feels a lot easier and I recover fully before the rest period is over. But, along the lines of speed and coaching sprinters the coach is simply imcompetent. I mean, this guy told me to power out my sprints when I asked him a question about relaxation. In the summer am thinking of joining an AAU program, that way I can compete in meets. I still haven’t decided if am coming back next year. If I don’t come back, am probably going to train with the coach I mentioned earlier. He is a master and sounds like he knows what hes doing. When I talked to him he told me his program was a long to short program. He starts with 500m and works down. He incorporates block training from day 1, starting from short intervals and building up. That way speed is not lost during special endurance periods.
Out of topic, but is 800m of speed work @100% too much? like, 1080, 5-6 150, 6*120, etc. I understand that in track more does not equal better performance, am just trying to make the most of this 3 weeks.
A lot of colleges do extensive tempo with low rest at weird distances and with multiple repeats. They do these crazy mobility drills and a lot of circuit type training. You will probably spend more time in college learning worthless drills than anything. Then the kids that are best at the drills are always the slowest on the track. A lot of colleges don’t even bother to do speed work, nor does the coach even know what the term means. Or when they do some speed work there is no rythme or reason to it. Its a mess in other words. And yes they do shovel the you know what at the athletes. Some of them will stay and run slow all four years, some quit, and some get by on natural talent. Thats the way it is. I’m sorry.
dont talk too fast my friend, you have no clue how the tempo runs were done - if they were int or ext etc.
Thank you, if you are able to run for a team do it, you have your whole life to train yourself and try all the so call great training systems.
NOPE, listen to the coach
the last time i had an athlete bytching about my workouts it had to do with me giving them too much rest time btw sprints so the next workout we did over 2000yds+ of tempo with very lil rest time and i was talking shyt the whole time.
It depends, I say this bc i dont trust my athletes with a penny. I usually ask and get feedback from the athletes i know who work hard and will go to battle for me.
Just by reading your posts in this thread alone, I can only assume you’re the same type of coach that Chib is trying to move away from: More is better, hard work over smart work, no pain no gain, the coach is God, and all that other nonsense.
I trust my coach implicitly and know that he has more knowledge and objectivity that I do, but at the same time he can’t tell me how I feel. He takes my feedback seriously, and makes adjustments accordingly. I’m never asked to do anything just because it’s hard, or challenging, everything has an end, or purpose. Lots of good training elements are hard work, but the fact that they’re hard is not an end in and of itself.
The fact that you don’t trust your athletes and that you punish them with tempo workouts following their feedback from a speed workout, sounds like a shitty coach-athlete relationship to me. You don’t trust them, why should they trust you to make them better?
Coaches and athletes share a mutual relationship. Unless you’re a football coach, you’re in the wrong place if you want to find an outlet to dominate over other people, rather than share common ground and respect.
I don’t no where your running or coaching, but I wouldn’t trust most high school or college athletes as far as I can see them.
As bad as most U.S. coaches are, trust me it would be that much more counterproductive at most places if the athletes had more reign.
The limited amount of knowledge and motivation that a lot of athletes have can be astounding.
And Tamfb knows better than performing the said tempo for athletic purposes. I am sure he was just doing it to make a point as to how counterproductive not being patient and taking the full rest can be.
First of all every athlete I work with get great results from my 14yr female athletes to my 28yr pro athletes, some of my athletes are members on this forum and if they want they can speak up.
The point of the tough tempo workout was to prove to them just bc something is hard does not mean its going to improve your athletic ability. I don’t care what you say, most athletes are always looking for a way to get out of hard work so that’s why I don’t trust them, I like to see every single rep/set/sprint that is being done. I have zero tolerance for cry baby athletes. Weak minded athletes wont last long around me but those who can tough it out have great success. One thing about winners they will always find a way to survive and the cry baby will always find something to complain about, its easy to blame a coach but the athlete must be willing to look in the mirror and ask himself the same questions also. For example I tell sport coaches its easy to blame your sports performance staff if the athletes are not strong or fast enough but they must ask themselves the same questions or better yet they should recruit a bigger faster stronger athlete. Sorry about rant
Thank you pope, the reason why we did the tough tempo because we had 5+ sports agents bytch about the so call “easy” workouts because we were giving them too much rest btw sprints and guys didnt feel anything, so the next day we did a tough tempo workout and asked the guys which one they like better - you already know the answer.
As far as I’m concerned, especially at the college level, very few athletes are looking to get out of hard work. Maybe track and specifically sprinters is different as I have limited experience with them, but I know football players, wrestlers, basketball players, distance runners etc. do not fall into this realm at all. If anything they go to failure on everything and most have no concept of less is more or quality over quantity.
Shyt show me a college bb team that love strength training and i show you a lady who dont love money. Football players like strength training but many dont like training to be a total athlete, send them home for the summer with there manual and see how many do all the running drills and work on there weaknesses… 
Even distance runners they will run all day but tell them to bang out some heavy weights and you will catch them slacking, athletes like to do what they are good at.
He ran pretty quick last year… 10.16.
As bad as most U.S. coaches are, trust me it would be that much more counterproductive at most places if the athletes had more reign.
The limited amount of knowledge and motivation that a lot of athletes have can be astounding.
A lot of coaches don’t even bother going beyond USATF Level 1 school, let alone actually implementing that information. I have talked to guys whose full time job is being a sprint/jumps/hurdles coach who has never heard of Charlie Francis, Boo Shexnayder, Dan Pfaff, John Smith… and his results show. Sadly, that isn’t an uncommon thing either! At worst, an athlete knows what ISN’T working with them. I simply cannot agree with a coach that doesn’t adjust training to the athletes. If the athlete is being lazy and doesn’t care, then so be it. Is it really worth potentially (and likely) over training an athlete?
In the interest of adding another perspective to this exchange I have no hesitation in stating that you are, for all intents and purposes and according to my personal experience, absolutely correct.
Exactly plenty of them. I have talked to track coaches that didn’t even know the wr for the 100m was under 10 seconds. Pathetic. Tamfb I like that opening line.
Come on Davan, when a coach is coaching in a team atmosphere he has to do the best thing for the team not for one athlete, unless that one athlete is the stud of the group - what I mean by stud: There are 10 athletes and 9 of the 10 run 10.9+ and the one stud athlete run 10.1. I know it’s not fair but it’s the world we live in.
Just keeping it real.
Exactly my point, its different trusting a 10.16 person in that atmosphere and catering to them, compared to the average situation that most coaches are in at high schools, d3 schools and weak d1 and d2 schools.
In those situations you cant trust the athlete to lift by themself, know the pace to run their workouts, train over break, put out full effort, tell you when their hurt, know when they have been overtrained, etc.
Whether or not this is true, I think, is contingent upon a few factors. When dealing with young athletes, I understand the need to treat athletes in a unilateral fashion. However, as athletes develop and some are clearly better than others, I don’t think it’s such a sin to devote more time and resources to the athletes of higher potential.
If coach X has a club, and Maurice Greene is in that club, along with a kid that runs 10.85, I don’t think you can fault the coach for giving more time and attention to Greene. Coaching time is a finite resource, and it has to be distributed most effectively, rather than in a way that seeks to hurt no one’s feelings.
In a more realistic example, NCAA coaches only have 12.6 scholarships to throw around, and it would be against the team’s interest to not maximize those investments.
I’m not advocating a hierarchy where slow people are made to feel like shit, and fast people are made to feel like kings, but at a certain level it becomes about maximizing performance and not creating a social outlet for people to feel good about themselves. There’s nothing wrong with that, but if the extent of your interest in athletics is to make some friends and have a good time, don’t expect your coach to treat you like you’re the 110mH national champion.
Yep. I am merely a track hobbyistn however I do own a business and manage people daily and as you stated you have the chronic whiners and the ones you listen to. I never listen to the chronic whiners. They bitch about the raise they just got even.