hmm pretty sure Tim Montgomery and Asafa Powell cannot (or at least could not) squat 2.5x bw. Some sprinters do not even lift weights. You aren’t going to find a huge correlation between what you lift and you sprint times, otherwise, powerlifters would be sprinting.
i know many top sprinters that do lift 2.5 of bw. not as a workout, but as RM1. if tim weight was 160 maybe, than it makes sense that he was able to lift 400lbs.
do u have any stats of those sprinters u were talkin about.
p.s
i guess some people are really strong naturally.
im sure if those athletes would have scale back there track work and focus more on the strength work they could have hit those numbers.
Montgomery did 375 to the floor, according to Charlie. Say his body weight is 160…
160+160+80= 400
pretty damn close.
He ran sub 10 without a weights program, so I’m not sure that the squat was THAT important in his development. Plays a role, but I doubt it even compares to the speed work, etc.
If they were to focus on weight training and not sprinting, it is possible they would hit certain numbers. The point is that hitting an arbitrary number (aka 2.5x bw in the squat) will not guarantee you any level of success, especially if the speed work isn’t there. There are athletes here that squat more than 2.5x bw and don’t break 11.
are you serious ill like to hear from them
i think u pick the wrong athlete, bc the strength development is what took tim to the next level even tim said the samething.
Next level to what? He ran sub 10 without weights. Weights probably helped, but what I am saying if that if you are like most of us, running way slower than him, there are a lot of other things to worry about besides just hitting some # in training. There are probably some other things that also took him to the next level besides just weights.
I could squat over 2x BW, broad jump 10+ feet, and dunk a basketball from a standstill and barely broke 12 seconds this season.
Davan is right. There are a lot more important things than weightroom strength when it comes to sprinting.
not valid bc u did 0 sprinting.
i think u guys missed my point, or some of you. what im saying is not that illrun like tim if ill do 2.5 bw, but i did hear that 2.5 is something athletes shoot for in orderto get optimal strength. obviously there is the natural leg speed etc. to also enter te equasion. but again, i was saying that 2.5 would be the ideal ratio to shoot for, or atleast this is what i heard, and i wanted to hear what u guys thnk.
oh and another thing. obviously a guy without natural speed, and no speed work will not run fast times, but we are talking here about maximizing the personal ability, without gettin over trained or hurt.
There’s no such thing as an optimal level of strength. Depending on one’s limb lengths, muscle/tendon ratios, muscle attachment points, and a whole bunch of other factors the level of strength necessary to gain proficiency in a task is highly individual.
So, getting to 2.5x BW might not be enough to accomplish your athletic goals, or it might be overkill. It all depends on the individual.
Bailey benche was a BS …actual figure was around 120…
I would rather not get into the debate of the strength vs. speed thing we could go on forever. Intrestingly enough though I am lighter and weaker than ever and currently producing my best times of my career. Big diiference between weightroom strength and track power though. “You don’t plow fields with a Farrari”.
Anywase I am 6’4 and I haven not measured my standing virticle in a long time. I am a very explosive athlete though and I assume my virticle would be much higher than the average athlete as would most sprinters. However again there is a difference between some one who can jump and some one who can run… I would say that you can run fast and always still jump high but you cannot always jump high and still run fast. Inother words… High Jumpers don’t always make for the best sprinters but often you can take a sprinter and turn him into a jumper…
None the less with a drop step I can touch 11 3 inches. Or atleast I could earlier in the summer. Thats not a true virtical but it gives an idea. And my squat was right at close to 2.5 my body weight and bench just under 2 times my body weight at around 415-430… it is now only around 365. My 3 rep max on cleans is or was 265.
Hope this helps man.
it helps alot. i was looking at any correlation between the explosive abilities of the athlete, and his times.so obviously u seem to have much of that explosive, and strength left (actually in a high level performance), therefore u r running fast. and as i said before, to run fast, u have to be born with the ability, but to maximize that ability there are some ways to help it, and i think that strength and power are a major issue of that manner. and ill say again it seems like its all coming down to ratios. obviously a sprinter that weighs 150 lbs dont have to squat 500lbs.
thanks alot for u help, and as to your first question if u can get faster at the age of 25, than i hope the answer is yes, also for myslf.
I wish you were right :)… but I have to disagree. I’m 6’2" 195lbs and I can’t even dunk a basketball after many years of sprint training. 
hey drob, what was the official time from sunday?
Well, If you trained to jump as much as you trained to sprint you could I am sure… but Kevin Garnett could never learn to be as fast as you… make sense?