Did Charlie have his athletes doing power cleans from the floor or from the hang.
What are most people in here doing? And whats your reason?
Those that did them went from the floor. I assumed they get more ROM
do both and from blocks.
I assume the rep numbers would reflect the overall importance placed on the clean- ie clean plus squat or cleans alone etc.
why the rep number?
the total CNS demand of all lifts (mostly those above 80%) is balanced against the CNS demands of the sprints/jumps etc. At the end, it tends to be a zero sum game.
ok if you say so, but my ol are no higher then 75%.
I always wonder this. I personally do them from hang, as I feel it protects my back better, but also as I feel the angles are good enough to replicate sprinting. Thoughts?
protect ur back - nonsense. the way most people do hang cleans are bad for ur back. if i had to pick one i would go with the power clean.
The heavier the weight, the more your going to want to put it back on the floor. I allways did my warm up sets from the hang. Can you imagine going really heavy with a “hang” between reps? Nightmare, and risk to technique.
If your going heavy and doing low reps you might aswell re-set yourself for each rep, and therefor from the floor.
But if your using light enough weight go from the hang becuse why bother putting it back on the floor?
Well I have had a couple of issues where my back has slipped and my pelvis has tilted and it tended to occur when I was in the first pull of a full clean, so although it may not be common, I can’t see how it’s nonsense.
What about reducing plyos keeping both?
Or would u perfer to keep the plyos as is and reduce the volume of weights?
Why do you consider the hang to be more protective of the back?
are you talking about in the same work out? same week? or progression from one to the next?
im curious about volume, what if you did power cleans, medball throws, and plyos all in one session. Do you just juggle and place priority in one for CNS demand over the other and rotate to get benefits from all? Or just do each fo what i mentioned in another session in itself to ellicit benefits of adaptation. The most complicated thing i find is what drains CNS quickly and how to rotate it around so you dont burnout but enough to recover from, seems like an art.
Reply CNS demands power cleans
The power clean induces the highest level of neural activation amongst olympic lifts. This is not good for sprinters. The push press is a better alternative.
I find it easier to maintain the back posture throughout the movement when start from the hang position as opposed to lifting from the floor. This could be a very personal thing though. I have just found that in the ast I have had a few problems with my back brought on by cleans, but since switching to hang I have had far less problems, and I believe the reason is what I mentioned above.
is it possable for you to get somebody who knows what they are talking about to view a few of your lifts? Sounds like your pulling from the ground wrong if its hurting your back - sounds like maybe your rollling your back or something like that
Yeah I find it harder to maintain the strictness of a straight back when lifting heavy from the floor. I think it’s partly a psychological thing that leads to a weakness in technique that leads to problems. It seemed easier all round to complete the lift from hang as it avoids this problem. I have been fortunate to have some experienced lifting coaches observe my technique.
Maybe you’re trying to move the bar to fast during the 1st pull from the floor. Usually this will cause the back to arch. Power comes into effect when the bar is above knee height. This is when you can really be quick and fast.