Do you want the blue or the red pill?
The most important concept is choice.
We can have two approaches, classic and electric.
If someone have difficult to understand the other side, the electric way, It isn’t a my problem.
My work does’t stop simply because some peoples dont agree or don’t want to try to open their minds (or as you have written: free yout mind)
I’m happy to speak about my and pakewi experiences in the sport field, recovery and performance.
I’m not selling nothing, no course, no seminar, only new idea but new idea seem to be not appreciated from many because they hear only that they want to hear.
Actually body electric approach is my way and my best idea to work into the sport.
Six years of experience on this issue, a lot of work, a lot of athletes, a lot of consulting, always…always in the sport field and not with common peoples…are a lot of informations and results.
I like philosophy is a better way to joke with peoples and have serious comment…I think…
I use the ARP method but hopefully soon I will be able to come visit you and see what you do! I’m just trying to understand all this myself as well. All I want is results and I think I’m nearly there but not quite so I like reading your posts - keep it up!
I’ve a question about general training.
Can you measure fatigue? And How do you measure it? and How you quantify it?
There is a simple German law on biological system, It say: at every cellular change there will be an electric change and vice versa.
We use Omega Wave and HRV in static and dynamic way plus some other tools to monitorize fatigue or other parameters after bioelectric work or any kind of therapy approach.
You use the appropriate protocol for that biological state of the body.
You can have an O2 drop and after specific work, the O2 raise, or you can have a bad HRV scenario and change it after ARP work.
Or simply you have pain in your leg and directly work with APR or kinesiology or both, without measure nothing.
All very interesting but we need to make a thread on how to get this all set up (HRV, ARP) without paying the retail combined price of over $30k. This could probably be done for <$3k for experimental purposes.
TopCat, what hardware do you use?
Jamirok, how long do your sessions last in general? 1hr? Do you just use the OmegaWave to check at the end? I imagine it would take quite a long time to do multiple ARP attempts while checking each time with an HRV analysis. Hope this makes sense.
On the market you can find a lot of device for HRV.
Try HRV Live from Biocomtech or a simple Polar RS800 + a software for HRV analysis.
Then a session with ARP lasts about 30 minutes, a kinesiology session 15-30 minutes for simple problems.
Generally HRV/OW analysis is for research purpose, or used in particular situation or necessity.
If you work with a soccer team and you have 24 players…it’s not simple do 24 OW!
But this is another point called organization.
(I’ve worked with a soccer team that had 30 polar rs800, this gave me a great advantage!)
With single athlete there isn’t any kind of problems for duration or number of monitorizations x day.
Not sure about the ‘colour’ of your post but since you like philosophy, the following will probably give you my answer to the pill query:
“… In fact, many of the best theories are self destructive, by provoking fresh inquiry and leading to new facts which they cannot explain. The only useless theories are those that cannot be tested and can explain everything” (A.V. Hill, 1965, 362–3).
“The greatest single achievement of science in this most scientifically productive of centuries is the discovery that we are profoundly ignorant. … I wish there were some formal courses in medical school on medical ignorance; textbooks as well, although they would have to be very heavy volumes. We have a long way to go.” (Dr Lewis Thomas, 1985, 10).
“In his influential text, Viennese philosopher Sir Karl Popper (1969) explains the pivotal importance of research that aims to disprove the currently considered ‘truth’. He begins by posing the fundamental question: What identifies empirical science and therefore distinguishes it from pseudoscience? He concludes that: A statement (a theory, a conjecture) has the status of belonging to the empirical sciences if, and only if, it is falsifiable. According to this criterion, a statement or theory is falsifiable, that is, able to be refuted, if and only if there exists at least one potential falsifier – at least one basic statement that conflicts with it logically. He continues that the falsifier does not itself have to be known to be true, only that it logically refutes the conjecture.”
“Thinking people tend to develop some framework into which they try to fit whatever new idea they may come across; as a rule, they even translate any new idea which they meet into a language appropriate to their own framework. One of the most characteristic tasks of philosophy is to attack, if necessary, the framework itself.” (Popper, 1988, 17).
“The theory always came first, put forward from the desire to have an elegant and consistent mathematical model. The theory then makes predictions, which can be tested by observation. If the observations agree with the predictions, that doesn’t prove the theory; but the theory survives to make further predictions, which again are tested against observation. If the observations don’t agree with the predictions, one abandons the theory. Or rather, that is what is supposed to happen. In practice, people are very reluctant to give up a theory in which they have invested a lot of time and effort. They usually start by questioning the accuracy of the observations. If that fails, they try to modify the theory in an ad hoc manner. Eventually the theory becomes a creaking and ugly edifice. Then someone suggests a new theory in which all the awkward observations are explained in an elegant and natural manner” (Hawking, 1993: 36).
To avoid being misunderstood (again?), as far as I am concerned, the pill is red!
Baseline analysis and comparative baseline analysis after a break period, for evaluate the body adaptation (chronic adaptation).
Acute adaptation analysis, in the soccer field generally I work on tuersday and saturday (after competition and before competition that is on sunday).
Then I do HRV dynamic analysis for monitorize fatigue and adaptation and setting training work (intensity, duration, rest interval, exercises on the field).
Actually I can monitorize any aspect, any situation, any exercise and give you specific and general information on body adaptation and trends.
I’m working with an engineer, a soccer coach for an analysis software with my matrix and algorithm.
When I realize it, probably before this summer, you wil be the first to have it!
After 3 years in soccer teams, I can predict performance at 90%, with few errors and specific and general athletes trends.
With therapy I work with kinesiology every day, ditto for massage therapist and physioterapist.
With ARP is the same, pakewi works every day.
During my therapy session with the soccer team, I see 10 players for day, with 2-3 short session for day.
With single athletes, actually tennis player, 1 or 2 therapies for week, long session up 2 hours.
I’ve good experience with middle level swimmers with 1 therapy for month of 3 hours to remove any CNS interference and then I suggest them to work with masseur about 3 times a week.
At the end of the game, I think we are on the same ship and we all try to find a simple, better and effective solution for performance and recovery.
I’ve had the fortune to meet pakewi and other few peoples that have opened my mind and help me to undertstand better this great machine that’s the human body.
I love my work and help athletes to find their way to performe with the max effort without injuries, with ARP, kinesiology, massage or any other kind of therapy.
Actually bioelectric theory is the best for me.
How does HRV Live compare to the OW? What does the real time HRV buy you? You still can’t move during the test, right? Hell, I have a hard time getting highly repeatable readings even with the ECG leads on the OW…I can only imagine the error tolerance on a pulse wave clip.
Actually I’m working with pletismography or ear clip or belts, no electrodes, really simple to use and fast to prepare.
I record with a SUNTO TRAINING belt or a Polar RS800, then export the files into a software.
OW has a patent algorithm, HRV live and other software use the classic fourier trasformation or autoregressive spectrum.
Actually I use classic Fourier Trasformation detrended, you can’t compare OW and other software.
You have to work with a software, compare the analysis of the same software and try to find correlation, do a matrix, algorithms and theories.
HRV if used with precision can do the difference with training organization, work really better.
Dynamic HRV can be used for analyze metabolic fatigue and give you specific cardiac range of work.
I’ve a patent pending test called V2 (VINCI-VARRACCHIO).
PS: errors can be eliminate with good analysis (practice) and with a good software and hardware.
Yes - get the polar 800 series HRM. It works fine. I’ve been using my polar for the last 3.5 years and it works great. It shouldn’t cost you more than $400 to get your own HRV analysis setup.
I think 1 or 2 or so things is happening here
either
1 - you think everybody is too dumb on here and so make up crazy sayings - ( like Training do nothing)
2 - you live in Italy and hence loose communication - ie, the response your getting from certain people isn’t what you planned due to language difference
3 - Perhaps you just dont have the time to Cut n paste info needed for people to understand what it is your talking about? Athough over the last 24hrs i have noticed an improvement.
Now - you mention Polar rs800 ect as well. For the english speaking of us who seemed confused with any talk here - look up POLAR web site, seach up RS800. Its a fantastic watch. Works a treat.
Basically, the watch can tell you, if the training your doing is working “for you”. Do you need to Tempo? can you continue with “hard training” do you need a few days recovery? It can be very complicated with how much info it can possess. Esp if you use all the info it has.
ONce you have the watch, its 100x easier to understand about body rythems ect as disscussed here - its presented soooo much more clearer and easier to understand.
Its really not hard to understand, its just been communicated i believe poorly on here.
If anybody is interested - i might have time over the next wk to dig up info from my watch (read, i have to type it in and that takes time)
Your best bet would be to look up Polar web site - you might even be able to download an instruction manual for the Rs800??
Im sure - if people understand the concepts of Polar etc, then understanding ARP and what its about wont be all that trivial.
AS for the response, “Training do nothing”
Well - training do plenty, its the Rest, recovery, Diet and Re-introduction of training at the correct level and intensity that is key in allowing the human system to do what it needs in electing an appropriate response… Im sure we all agree on that most basic premise?
And a Questing for Pakewi - if your still reading.
How well does reading heart values or any values in the pool work? I guess you need Before and After pool work??
I’m just trying to understand all this myself as well. All I want is results and I think I’m nearly there but not quite so I like reading your posts - keep it up!