I will shoot a video documentary (short) this weekend of how I use the Polar 800 watch and upload the data to an HRV Analysis software to analyze the data. I will post the video on my website, and then provide a link for you to watch. It may clear up some of the confusion about how to use the Polar watch (or others that collect R-R data).
I’ll keep the analysis very simple so that everyone can understand and use the process for their purposes. I am not an expert in Cardiology, but understand how the tools can help analyze recovery status.
I went over the process at the last seminar I did with Charlie in Utah (March 2008).
I see, but what can you predict? Performance is quite a general term, could you be more precise? This reminds me of (the infamous, if you live in Italy and you support Milan) MilanLab :), which I think was more based on neural networks.
MilanLab Cisco Neural Network is A BIT out of my budget…
The problem is you think to performance from a field point of view
and try to analyze parameters as: resistence, acceleration, change of direction, power…etc…
HRV tell you about physiological state, i.e. cardiac recovery, recovery state of the system, hormonal status, stress/recovery level.
A simple point is: With the best physiologic profile you can have the best performance for that athlete level.
In soccer i.e. if you have a middlefiled with a poor recovery status and cardiac fatigue, how can he run 16 Km or walk/run 16 Km at his best?
No one said one was better than another nor did anyone suggest an extreme - I offered the advice that looking at a ‘problem’ or an issue from another perspective helps the understanding.
No one is talking about curing illnesses - we’re talking about looking at something from a different point of view.
If some people choose to be defensive or abrasive that’s their perogative and that’s fine by me - but at least show some respect.
Regardless, western approaches generally approach the problem in one manner, many eastern philosophies are different and are more conducive to understanding what Jamroik and Pakewi are suggesting.
There is no need for vodoo, and “eastern” point of view and god knows what else.
The field of electrophysiology is sufficiently well established so a coherent discussion can take place without reference to eastern religions, matrix , and quantum mechanics.
EEG and EKG for example are used by decades to predict different pathological states. Since then , we gained a lot of understating , and the field progressed by great strides, and it’s only normal the human performance is / will be enhanced by inclusion of electrophysiology tools.
In human performance, analysis of EKG (mostly HRV function transform in frequency domain ) can be indeed used to predict , at least partially , the state of the organism and it’s readiness for performing. Coupled with statistical data on a certain athlete ( “trends” at its simplest )it is indeed a very valuable tool.
I am convinced that what Jamirok and Pakewi do is legit and valuable. The problem in my view is this alone: trying to disguise science as vodoo … aka 'eastern approach" , or using misnomers to explain some facts, such as involving quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics is sufficiently abused by new age-ists, gurus, wizards … and the likes. We dont more misnomers and more missintepreations of quantum mechanics.
The best approach IMO is to stick to the facts and interpret the undeniable results through rigorous analysis.
Im afraid that phrases like “look at the issue from an eastern mindset” or similar are as useful as performing surgery to a wood leg.
I agree with you, but sometimes you have results that science can’t explain and you try first to repeat those results and if you have other similar results you try to find a theory that work.
Sometimes eastern approach seen from a western point of view (as scientific analysis of acupucture of Felix Mann) can help a lot.
You like Human Physiology, I like it but like others approach too.
I use the polar pro trainer software.
The info the Watch itself gives is pretty basic to say the least, however, download it to the computer for much greater depth.
I would be interested in some new computer software to compare.
Even before i got the Polar product, with myself, i develop my own person mathematical formula for my own running. Once, i turned up to a local “road running” meet, and they had “guess your time” - you chose either 2k or 5k, guessed your finnishing time then ran (no watches, mobile phones etc during the run allowed at all). I chose 2k as had been only doing sprinting tempo repeats, and 5k was just too far. At the end of my run, i was 1sec off my guessed time. Fluke? or just good maths before the event? I knew how i felt before the event and allowed that into my maths result.
Then something like the polar comes accross - Valuable piece of equipment. Does it work as well? I think so, though it wont guess my times… But there have been days where i been feeling “off” yet the watch says im free to train hard - so i do, and once my warm up is done, i feel great and do a great session… So in that regard, its even better.
Does one have a web site for this new (or is it old) software program for HRV? Would be interesting to have a look, cheers.
I dismissed the involvement of quantum mechanics , not your approach in recovery and therapeutics.
Understating the math involved in basic quantum mechanics gives me a rigorous, abstract, perspective over it which allows me to make this statement regarding what physics is at work.
When we use the ARP on an athlete we are constantly in uncharted territory by definition. But we stay there so long that everything else becomes totally predictable.
And to answer your question further, with correct uses of the ARP, in reality,there is no need to differentiate between training and recovery, nor so between therapy and training.
It is all about human potential in the end. Or what Charlie, in his ebooks, defines as absolute output or output reserve. In the light of this is there really a need to distinguish between “neural”, or “fascial”, or what else?
Now please just sit and think for a while before you respond.