djp your a girl?! If so that is probably a WR squat 495lbs at 165lbs.
I’ve never worked a PL squat though.
I’m pretty confident I will get no injuries from my lifting or squats. When I squat heavy I’ll have a spot.
David W has an article or has done research on the finer points of the squats.
When at the bottom if you lean a bit forwards you reduce the shearing force on your knees and once up you drive your hips in and you can lift more weight this way. BUT of course if you lean too farwards you will have to dump the weight as you are too far over.
I spoke to it with my coach. He says my squat form is fine.
You probably can break your neck and you saw what must have been a horrific injury. How is that guy now anyway? Just wondering. But I’ll have my spot get me up. But you can do a lot of injuries when training anyway.
I feel the body needs to keep the proper form to utilize it’s strength & maybe your strength (& it is impressive, I mean that) would be best utilized with different form.Just my opinion.
Yup I’d agree with that but at the top end as long as bad form doens’t cause an injury it isn’t so bad imo. But yeah the intent should be to have perfect foam but when lifting heavy loads you are under more pressure so it won’t be 100% but that i what you should aim for though.
I’ve Jerked badly in competition many times (my Jerk needs work but it is better now) but I’ve manage to set a new PB a lot of the time. But I’ve also left with no new PB from a bad Jerk.
In a competition I’ll take a new PB and a bad Jerk though as long as I’m not injured
That form looks downright dangerous. Koing if this happens when you max, maybe a technical maximum would be more suitable? (heaviest possible weight you can lift with your normal form). We don’t want to see you get injured!!
Koing, my 495 was in the gym. My comp squat was slightly less. It was not WR (close) 'cause they never got rid of the pre drug testing WR (at 165 I was NEVER going to bench 314lb… I could only manage 265). I am freakishly strong but not that strong!
I can see what you’re saying with the form but I still feel there are some problems that can arise from it.
The neck break was me… with 5 spotters (2 each side, 1 behind). 9 years of intermittant leg numbness & the doctor said 1/16th of an inch away from being a quadrapalegic. So, I know of what I speak. It was just losing my balance & pitching forward (it was only 403lbs) but rolled over my neck/head doing the damage. So you see, you can’t always rely on spotters (I still don’t know what the hell they were doing but it wasn’t catching the bar)
Just please be as safe as you can as these things do happen.
I think you can be even stronger working with a stricter form but that’s just me.
Good luck in your comps.
That form looks downright dangerous. Koing if this happens when you max, maybe a technical maximum would be more suitable? (heaviest possible weight you can lift with your normal form). We don’t want to see you get injured!!
I disagree. The form imo is fine. My coach would have said so otherwise. Thanks for the concern though. What area of S&C or sporting event do you do or are you a coach?
Well, tks !!
Koing, just curious about,
you did the 135cm jump after the Squat sessions ?
Nope. I did that jump when my 1RM back squat was 145kg. I can double 150kg now but have not done a 1RM. I’ll do it some time this year but after my next comp on 4th July who David W is organising. I’ll do another jump also and see if I can do any better then 135cm.
djp dam that is horrific
Yeah I’ll work on the form but I spoke to my coach about it. In heavy squats at rock bottom if you lean a bit forwards you are at a mechanical advantage here. Your bum will be leaning back a bit and then as you come up drive the hips under. Of course if you lean too far forwards you will lose the weight.
Dam what in the world were those spotters doing? It was a PL squat right and the bar is lower right? I don’t know much about a PL squat at all so I don’t know. But the squats are do are OL squats. The is high and rests on my traps. You must have pitched forwards some bit. Usually you would think it would roll back down?
Thanks. I got a comop in about 9hrs. Weigh in is in about that time actually. Heres to 100kg Snatch and 120kg and to see how much weight I have added since mid march.
I’m currently out of action from playing for 6 months due to a couple of serious concussions. Best squat is 155 kg deep, but I’m only 1.76 m. I take a few rugby guys in nz (not elite, but a few should turn pro after this year’s national provincial championship).
I’m still very inexperienced (still a very young guy) but I still try to tell the guys that one of the primary reasons for our weight training is to lessen the chances of injury on the field, so I don’t want them trying to put too much weight on the bar at the expense of safe form. Your sport is entirely different of course, but still I would be careful.
Koing… please post your results & good luck.
David, I have some info on concussions (yup, got one of those in my current sport… crap, it’s a miracle I’m still here) if you need anything or are having ongoing complications, post me a priv. message (as I realize this is not a thread about head injuries).
I have been involved in a couple of studies & found some new therapies for concussion probs.
cheers
Looks good to me…apart from the slight rock forward on the asent…u looked fine.Thats how I squat also. Its a technique that has been taught to me by two ex competive lifters. It enables you to get more from the hips and quads during the drive upwards. Koing, looks good man. I weigh 70 kg and also rock bottom squat around 160kg for 4 reps. Total leg developement.
Your depth is the same as mine. I have seen that technique you are using before by other oly lifters. If it works and doesn’t cause injury then perfect
Not perfect form, Koing is doing a different technique so that is not a big concern. His back does not round from what I can see so there’s no potential for injury there. The bar rolling of the neck would be a concern had he not had an experienced coach behind him, who could help spot him if he ever got in real trouble.
However, SQUATTING in a rack that allows safety bars on each side would be the most ideal because if you ever get in any real trouble at the bottom, you don’t try and safe the lift you just simply let the side bars catch the weight. I’ve injured my back by doing the squat in a horrible form by rounding my back to lift the weight. It never caused any long term damage in terms of athletic ablities that I can see but if Koing’s back rounds even a little, then that’s all it takes. I sometimes don’t have the luxury of any spotters and I don’t really need any because I won’t try to save the lift if my back starts to round and tries to do a good morning exercise. I just let the bar fall gently on the racks. I remember when I first started to learn how to squat and I could’t lift a weight of 315 lbs, so I ditched the bar dangerously forward but held on to the bar. When your squatting and you have the proper side supports like I do and hold onto the bar instead of ditching it like a bad snatch then you should be able to remain injury free.
The side supports are adjustable so that you can set them to whatever height you want. Safety First.
That squat scares me some. Any more forward movement I feel like you are going to end up doing a good morning that wont feel so good. Are you familiar with Westside training. One of the things that they emphasize with squat technique is that on the descent the head is the first thing to move, not the hips. Read on it a lil and apply it. Your squat wont look so jerky.
I was referring to a 1RM squat and that the longer time you spend at the bottom the harder it is to lift the weight. By your reasoning, You could spend a couple seconds at the bottom of a 1RM squat and still complete the lift. Sounds retarded to me!
