300m test time vs. 400m race?

[lkh]

@vedette

I am very curious about what everyone thinks of the concept of an all-out 400 every day for a week. This goes against any and every theory of training I have ever encountered.

I’d like to be a fly on the wall when Charlie reads about that. It also goes against everything I’ve seen Clyde Hart say. Amazing improvement for a few days…and then what happens first, the strained hamstring or the overtraining crash?

[John]

@lkh

I’d like to be a fly on the wall when Charlie reads about that. It also goes against everything I’ve seen Clyde Hart say. Amazing improvement for a few days…and then what happens first, the strained hamstring or the overtraining crash?

as stated above constant improvement till about day 6 or 7 then a decline in performance.

[vedette]

Maybe we should look at it as just one gigantic SE2 workout spread out over several days.

[dr.sprint]

Could you show us an example. I remember talking with a kid (a big white guy ) that ran at UMASS and said he would go through the workouts at 34 seconds in practice. He ran 21.03 that year. I remember thinking 34 seconds holding back??? I think they did do something similiar to what I was suggesting 3,2,150. Maybe harder actually.

Please show us a sample workout. Give us the PR followed by the actually split runs they would run. Thinking back my best 100/200m times were when I was doing a lot of strength work (cover your ears Charlie). I am going to train this season with a lot of strength. Get back to what works (even though I’m not sure why). I was hoping to get my 200m back.

@kitkat1

Individual variables can be so large as to render most if not all predictive formulae unreliable across a range of 400m athletes.

I was lucky enough to coach several world class 400 runners and what one would use as a test set, another could not even complete after a year of serious training.

Yet every athlete I’ve worked with has always demanded to know a prediction. I couldn’t give one and to be honest I didn’t think it was important. To me it indicated some sort of mental weakness in the athlete. You want to know what x + x =? Go race a 400m. What you run is what it equates to. No guesswork involved. It is what it is.

Of course after a few seasons you could get to know each particular sprinter and when they did a few things specific in their training, you knew they would be ready to go 45 or 44 or whatever.

Usually the predictive workouts would include a 300m time (to ascertain speed-endurance) as well as a split run such as 200 + 200 off 2min (to ascertain strength).

[velocegatto]

Hi Guys,

Yea, I know this workout goes against pretty much everything that today’s coaches preach.

However, it doesn’t go against what a lot of old time athletes trained at to get times around 47s and such.

It is actually probably the simplest possible workout an athlete could do. You want to get fast at a 400m, practice running the 400m…lol.

I’m not saying that I would follow this year round for a schedule…but hell…I haven’t yet tried it!

So, that’s exactly what I’m going to do. Tomorrow I’ll record my entire workout with an explanation and post it on YouTube.

It’s hard for me to explain the exact method I used by typing, so I will just show it. I haven’t done any track work at all for the winter and have been training mostly for jiu-jitsu and gymnastics. I don’t even expect to break 60sec…lol. Especially since I just got back from a wedding tonight and about 4 Amarettos…yum.

But, anywho, I will try to record the 1st and last workout…day 1 and 7 so everyone can get an idea.