300 meter split times within... Need your opinion..

Did split runs today on the indoor track at York. Had mixed feelings about them.

I ran at what I thought was about 85-90% for the 200m. Here are the times (I didnt bother timing the 100 splits)

I was running in flats

300 split run (200 in 24.8, walk 100 meters then 100 meter at 95%)
Rest 3 minutes

300 split run (200 in 25.9, walk 100 meters then 100 meter at 95%)
Rest 4.5 minutes

300 split run (200 in 26.7, walk 100 meters then 100 meter at 95%)

After the last one I thought I was going to hurl…

Then hit Plyos:

3 sets double leg hops (10-12 contacts per set)

3 sets jump squats (95 pounds on the bar 6-10 reps)

What do you guys think of the times? My goals are high 22 FAT to mid 23FAT for 200 indoors.

Thanks,

Chris

ps- My calves are REALLY cooked. Running the tight bend is murder…

Pretty early on for the split runs. When did you start your GPP and when did you start the SPP?

I have just finished 4 weeks of GPP and am just starting SPP. Should I hold off a bit longer and extend GPP a bit?

thanks again,
Chris

I’d try to control the pace of the first 200 portion and concentrate on the second 100. As it is now you’re deteriorating as the workout goes on- which shouldn’t happpen. If you started with 26 flat, you could maintain- or even increase the pace throughout the workout, with good final 100s.

Chris,
good thread. i see you took my suggestion for the split runs. this is my last week of gpp so i will be doing the same exact workout next week. Charlie so if i am capeable of running between 22 and 22.6 right now 85% would be 25.8-26 mid for the first 200. that would be fast enough? And i was going to do 4 sets. good volume?

I’m in the gpp and I’m doing special endurance runs every speed session, Is this bad? It seems to be working pretty well. All summer I barely didn’t do any special endurance and did flying sprints and accelerations up to around 60 meters, my special enduracne is week so I’m doing some special endurance runs every session in my gpp.

Chris,

could the deteriation in runs be explained by the short recovery times? Why have you settled on this specific recovery time?

If you are progressing to SE1 runs the recovery can range from 15-30+ mins. Should your split runs not reflect a similar set-up?

Thanks :slight_smile:

Thanks for the responses everyone.

I was really trying to hit my lactate system hard. It was more of a interval session than an SE/split session. I would have ran a lot harder for SE and rested about 20 minutes between reps. I am fairly sure I could have hit a high 22 mid 23 last night on the first rep if I went flat out.

I have heard that 3-4 minutes after a fairly intensive run is when the lactate levels are at their highest. So I figured I could really hit that system hard by resting 3 minutes, then 4 minutes for the reps. I wasn’t trying to go superfast just smooth and relaxed but maintaining decent speed. I was going more by perceived effort than times if that makes sense. I took the second and third reps easier in the first 60 of the 200 than the first rep so that contributed too.

I found the turns brutal on the legs though. I could really feel my ankles and calves. I was also running in lane 1 which probably contributed to it as well.

Thanks for any advice you have. I am very open to changing the workout around in terms of reps and rest if you think it’ll benefit me. I basically wanted to blast my lactate system last night hehe.

Cheers,
Chris

How come you’re inside? The weather’s been good outside so far! As for the lactate- maximize that DURING the split runs and spread the recoveries to at least 7min for now.

Thanks for the reply Charlie,

It was pretty cold and breezy last night but I think I’ll do the next session outdoors weather permitting. With a projected time of say 22.9 seconds for 200 what would you recommend I’d run the split 200 in?

85% would be 26.9 seconds so roughly 27 seconds for each with a 100 meter walk and then 100 meter at what percentage? 90%+?

That sort of breakdown with 7-9 minutes rest would be much easier for me. I could probably add another set for 4 total.

Your thoughts appreciated!

Chris

Chris,

where did you get the 85% figure from?

Somewhere on the forum here although if I am mistaken on the percentages please let me know and I’ll adjust them.

thanks,
Chris

Chris,
how long does it take you to walk the 100? i was figuring taking a minute to 1.30 rest? Charlie what do you think would be better? And i plan to do 4 sets and i was going to take 5 mins rest but since Charlie recommended at least 7 i think i will take 7 depending on how i feel.

hmm I am not sure. I think about 1 minute to a minute and a half?

I have a feeling with 7 minutes rest I’ll be able to blast out the 200’s in 25 seconds no problem especially outdoors. 27 might feel a little slow but I’ll wait and see.

Cheers,
Chris

Remember in calculating times, this is a split run and not just a 200, so the final 100 time must be considered and should be faster than the 200 pace. Think of the whole split-run as one rep.

Ahhh I understand what you are saying now.

If I ran the 200 in 25 seconds it would be difficult to run the 100meter at 90% of race pace. Thus the comparitively slower 200meter time of 26.9 seconds.

Is the reasoning behind this to help teach good cadence and speed while fatigued?

Thanks again!
Chris

So 25 And 12 Sound Good?

If you can maintain that pace throughout the reps sure :slight_smile:

ill post my results tomarrow.

Quik how did you find the split runs afterwards?

My legs feel great but my calves are toast!! No more tight bend stuff for me. Going to stay outside!