how causcasian do you need to be to qualify? pat johnson’s father is about as caucasian as u can get. tho you cant tell with patrick much … 
sort of like mariah carey saying she is black (maybe 1/4 in the shade)
and yes i know she’s never said it, its just an example.
Nicolas M of Canada ran a sub 10 wind-aided (twice?)
Marion Woronin of Poland ran 9.991, so that rounds up to 10.00
Koji of Japan also ran 10.00.
i didn’t know Marion’s time was rounded up. I didn’t know they’d round up a 9.991. Nic M is a definate possibility. He’s still young. If he does everything right than it will happen. I think it would be fitting if a Greek did it first anyways.
Imagine if Nicolas (for Canada, Greek heritage) won the gold in Athens, and Thanou won the women’s 100m! Plus KK in the 200M. Such marketing!
wow, now that would be exciting I didn’t look at it that way. I’ve been watching the Greek channels on satelite, and i haven’t heard much of Thanou in a while. But KK still has a couple of years left in him. And Nic M has his entire career ahead of him. Athens will be great!
shirvo got unlucky, in 98’s CWG; KL’s track was horrible if i recall it was a tartan track, put a mondo track in and that 10.03 would’ve been sub 10, kill the headwind and that would’ve been sub 10. he’s still gotta fix his running form especially his starting form. If he fixed that he may pull it off…but age is catching up.
of course if those things were in place Ato may have broken 9.84 in KL concurrently. but you’d have to blame ato for not breaking the world record back then…he celebrated early
I noticed ATO’s site has not been updated for a while - what’s the latest on the number of athletes with sub 10s and in particular - white caucasians?
Is Patrick Johnson still the only athlete of non-African descent to have broken 10.00s?
yup, if i recall pat johnson is 1/2 aborigine & 1/2 irish, conditions were just right for him. strong but legal wind, good weather…don’t know if it was a mondo track or not…but pat lucked out…he never ran sub 10 again.
133 9.93 +1.8 Patrick Johnson AUS 26.09.72 1rA Mito 05.05.2003
409 10.00 +2.0 Marian Woronin POL 13.08.56 1 Warszawa 09.06.1984
Observations and recommendations regarding race and genetics by the National Human Genome Center of Howard University*
When the human species is viewed as a whole, underlying genetic variation and expressed physical traits exhibit gradients of differentiation, not discrete units. Therefore, modern extant humans do not fracture into races (subspecies) based on the modern phylogenetic criteria of molecular systematics.
The biological “boundaries” between any human divisions (groups, populations, nationalities) are circumstantial and largely dependent on what traits are chosen for emphasis.
The demographic units of human societies (and of the U.S. census) are the products of social or political rules, not the forces of biological evolution. The names and characteristics of demographic groups can change and have changed over time.
Group differences in health parameters are not encoded in the human genome as part of an evolutionary pattern of divergence. Thus, differences in health or disease cannot be treated as causally related to ethnoancestral groups.
Genotype-environment interactions are more important in explaining group differences in health than genotype, environment, or a factor called “race”.
The non-existence of human races (subspecies) does not mean the non-existence of racism. Racism is the structured systematic oppression against individuals and groups defined based on physical traits that reflect an extremely limited fraction of the human genome. Racism must be addressed.
Individuals cannot be treated as representative for all those who physically resemble them, or have some of the same ethnohistorical ancestry. Ancestries of individuals and groups should be ascertained in order to evaluate differential expression of genetic effects.
Does anybody what is the fastest 100m ran by a caucasion personis and who ran it? Iv done searches but cant find anything DBjohn
Your question maybe framed inappropriately. Let me elaborate, society thinks of race from a archetypal & singular viewpoint. You can find examples in entertainment politics and sport. The movie White Men Cant Jump is a good example, a lighthearted comedy. But more significantly racial archetypes or racial profiling allows governments to wage inequitable wars. Recent civilian death dolls in Iraq is one example.
Race is a genetic term for scientists and your question can be reframed do Caucasians have the genes to run sub 10s?
Yes, why haven’t they? Cultural factors and the “fast genes” are probably less abundant in the Caucasian group.
Yeah, it is just cultural factors that >99% of the top 500 times are of people of West African descent from varying socioeconomic conditions (different family backgrounds, some being adopted, some in warm weather, some in cold, etc.) around the world. Total coincidence.
Using this logic I could use weightlifting & speed skating to show that 99.99% of the top 500 are from the Caucasian East & South Asian group. Trying to frame the argument based on this logic its just fallacious.
I’ll elaborate on my earlier statement
“fast genes are probably less abundant in the Caucasian group” & more abundant in West African groups "
Simply looking at one group and comparing it to another is fallacious.
First, please make coherent sentences. Your last sentence doesn’t make much sense and “fast genes” don’t make much sense either as we are talking about predispositions to certain factors and “fast genes” doesn’t exactly tell us what (are you talking about excitability of the nervous system, fiber types, different hormonal levels, neurotrophic factors, what?). You need the environmental factors (coaching, training, diet, etc.) to go along with the genetics, but if they aren’t there in the first place, nothing is going to change it.
And on top of that, there is the issue of anthropomorphic differences, which are perhaps the most obvious. Even with everything else being equal, this would be huge in sprinting.
I have no education in this, it’s just an observation. And I’m certainly not trying to be racist as this is nothing to do with intelligence in different races. I’m only looking at it from a genetic viewpoint or as Sharmer puts it “fast genes” viewpoint.
There are over 300 breeds of horse available in the world today - but only a few that are genuinely suitable for thoroughbred racing. The ‘thoroughbreads’ appear to have evolved over milions of years from a gene pool that has a predisposition to moving very fast.
That’s not to say that there are many other breeds that have fast genes but fewer members of these groups are likely to be super fast.
Is this possible in humans where over many millions of years a certain ‘group’ (I’m loathe to use the term breed) has evolved where the fast genes are more abundant in that group. And on the evidence we have to date when the group is exposed to the right cultural & environmental factors they are more likely to generate a much greater number of fast athletes than another human group?
You’re jumping ahead 500 steps! Scientist cannot isolate the specific genes that give physiological advantages for running speed. So when I use the generic term “fast genes” I refer to the genes (not yet discovered in humans) that give physiological advantages for speed.
Getting back to your earlier statement
“Yeah, it is just cultural factors that >99% of the top 500 times are of people of West African descent from varying socioeconomic conditions (different family backgrounds, some being adopted, some in warm weather, some in cold, etc.) around the world. Total coincidence.”
This is a common error in logic. Your making an inductive inference based on one group of data. Now if I adopt the same logic, than Caucasians make better weightlifters & Swimmers, East and south Asians are superior divers and gymnasts etc! Now what makes your argument even more problematic is predicting future performance. Are weightlifters, divers, gymnastic, swimmers going to have a performance threshold based on race?? The whole argument just fails.
You really are stupid if you think this is the least bit similar.
There are so many problems with you presuming this is simply logic. First and foremost being that sprinting is one of the most basic and essential activities in humans. While one can train for it, it is still nothing compared to genetic predisposition. You don’t need a lot of facilities, you don’t need amazing coaching, and you don’t need to start it from a super young age. All of the sports you listed are of small niches with little involvement worldwide, while athletics ranks as one of the most participated in sports worldwide, requires almost no expensive facilities, minimal coaching (Bolt going sub 20 as a young teen), minimal strategy, etc. That makes your comparison pretty stupid. Not to mention that things like gymnastics and diving are not even objectively scored and there is lots of subjectivity in the judging, so basically irrelevant for the discussion. So now we are reduced to weightlifting and swimming, both of which require extensive coaching, tons of facilities for the latter, provide little opportunity for money (basically none in weightlifting), and more.
Beyond that, there are plenty of studies into different genes and traits with genetic determination that are race related.
BTW citing something from the genetics department at HOWARD??? Are you kidding me?
To give you an idea, are you telling me it is cultural influences that let Usain go sub 20 as a teen and Tim Montgomery sub 10 as a teen? You’re telling me the cultural influences were so incredibly strong that no amount of training, supplementation, diet, etc. from the numerous Caucasians over the previous decades could overcome that? Give me a break. Do you have some complex about this? Nobody is saying to throw out the baby with the bath water because you should do the best with what you have, but to deny there are extremely strong genetic predispositions would be equally stupid.
The sprinting elite site is excellent, but it hasn’t been updated in quite a while. That’s one of the better sites I know. You can also try all time athletics.
Yes but show me the studies that show link between physiological advantages of running with the human genone.
All of the sports you listed are of small niches with little involvement worldwide, while athletics ranks as one of the most participated in sports worldwide, requires almost no expensive facilities, minimal coaching (Bolt going sub 20 as a young teen), minimal strategy, etc
Your digging a big hole Sir
Any Olympic & WC sprint champions come directly from West Africa nations?
I don’t deny the genetic predisposition for speed, I am simply saying that we don’t know what these genes are and we do not know what variations exist within differing racial groups. Using performance norms to justify a genetic argument doesn’t work.