Weston A. Price Foundation

Guys-

Came across this website that someone told me about at other forum when I asked for references where this person got the information that we shouldn’t consume so much of PUF, I think no more than 6% of total calories or total fat (not sure which). She was crazy about coconut oil but she mentioned something like 60% SFA of total fat intake! I was intrigued so i hopped to this website and started reading the articles. Interesting website. Did anyone ever go there? What’s your opinion? heres’ the link - http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html.

Coming from the article called “Skinny on fats” by by Mary Enig, PhD, and Sally Fallon at Weston A. Price website…

"The dangers of polyunsaturates
The public has been fed a great deal of misinformation about the relative virtues of saturated fats versus polyunsaturated oils. Politically correct dietary gurus tell us that the polyunsaturated oils are good for us and that the saturated fats cause cancer and heart disease. The result is that fundamental changes have occurred in the Western diet. At the turn of the century, most of the fatty acids in the diet were either saturated or monounsaturated, primarily from butter, lard, tallows, coconut oil and small amounts of olive oil. Today most of the fats in the diet are polyunsaturated from vegetable oils derived mostly from soy, as well as from corn, safflower and canola.

Modern diets can contain as much as 30% of calories as polyunsaturated oils, but scientific research indicates that this amount is far too high. The best evidence indicates that our intake of polyunsaturates should not be much greater than 4% of the caloric total, in approximate proportions of 1 1/2 % omega-3 linolenic acid and 2 1/2 % omega-6 linoleic acid.30 EFA consumption in this range is found in native populations in temperate and tropical regions whose intake of polyunsaturated oils comes from the small amounts found in legumes, grains, nuts, green vegetables, fish, olive oil and animal fats but not from commercial vegetable oils.

Excess consumption of polyunsaturated oils has been shown to contribute to a large number of disease conditions including increased cancer and heart disease; immune system dysfunction; damage to the liver, reproductive organs and lungs; digestive disorders; depressed learning ability; impaired growth; and weight gain.31

One reason the polyunsaturates cause so many health problems is that they tend to become oxidized or rancid when subjected to heat, oxygen and moisture as in cooking and processing. Rancid oils are characterized by free radicals—that is, single atoms or clusters with an unpaired electron in an outer orbit. These compounds are extremely reactive chemically. They have been characterized as “marauders” in the body for they attack cell membranes and red blood cells and cause damage in DNA/RNA strands, thus triggering mutations in tissue, blood vessels and skin. Free radical damage to the skin causes wrinkles and premature aging; free radical damage to the tissues and organs sets the stage for tumors; free radical damage in the blood vessels initiates the buildup of plaque. Is it any wonder that tests and studies have repeatedly shown a high correlation between cancer and heart disease with the consumption of polyunsaturates?32 New evidence links exposure to free radicals with premature aging, with autoimmune diseases such as arthritis and with Parkinson’s disease, Lou Gehrig’s disease, Alzheimer’s and cataracts.33"

31 A general review of citations for problems with polyunsaturate consumption is found in Pinckney, Edward R, MD, and Cathey Pinckney, The Cholesterol Controversy, 1973, Sherbourne Press, Los Angeles, 127-131; Research indicating the correlation of polyunsaturates with learning problems is found in Harmon, D, et al, J Am Geriatrics Soc, 1976, 24:1: 292-8; Meerson, Z, et al, Bull Exp Bio Med, 1983, 96:9:70-71;Regarding weight gain, levels of linoleic acid in adipose tissues reflect the amount of linoleic acid in the diet. Valero, et al, Ann NutrMetabolism, Nov/Dec 1990, 34:6:323-327; Felton, C V, et al, Lancet, 1994, 344:1195-96
32 Pinckney, Edward R, MD, and Cathey Pinckney, The Cholesterol Controversy, 1973, Sherbourne Press, Los Angeles, 130; Enig, Mary G, Ph D, et al, Fed Proc, July 1978, 37:9:2215-2220
33 Machlin, I J, and A Bendich, FASEB Journal, 1987, 1:441-445

Amazing new discovery, fish oils are now bad for me…

I guess next thing the experts are going to come out with is protein really does not build muscle.

everything changes in this world…

Lol. You can use fish oil. I think they were talking about consuming too much polyunsaturated oil from vegetable souce such as cranola, sunflower, soybean, etc. I’m just surprised that to find out that they think 30% PUFA is bad for you! Honestly, i don’t mind consuming that much saturated fat esp animal fats as they taste much better! :slight_smile: You can consume olive oils which is mainly MUFA which is more stable than PUFA. Overall, I’d have to say I agree with them even though it seems a bit extreme. I thought taking vitamin E would solve the problem but who knows?

I came across the Weston Price foundation after reading extensively about Mary Enig’s ongoing “battle” with the mainstream establishment. The history of use of polyunsaturated fats is as much a political and historical battle as it has been a medical one since (and long before) the mid-1950’s. We are finally winning the battle, it seems (and I speak with some favor on Mary Enig’s behalf).

When I heard of her while I was in school, I wondered whether she was just the “anti-establishment” come out to swim with the corporate sharks. But, as time has gone on, and my research has taken me to favor the low carbohydrate phenomenon, I’ve also realized some cruel truths about food economics in North America. One of them is the evolution of the cottonseed (rapeseed) oil, then corn oil, then soya oil industries in America. They’ve been raking in the cash for the last 100 years and, aside from cereal companies, have become corporate giants by falsely discrediting the dairy industry in the first half of the 20th century. The story is very interesting, but the science behind this whole affair (and the negative influence these oil/margarine making corporations have had on heart disease and diabetes statistics) is amazing.

Long story short: Harvard university and other big names are beginning to show that Mary Enig’s battle was well worth it! especially in terms of trans fatty acids in commercially produced food (by, guess who, the same large corporations that told us margarine was good for us…)

Unbelievable, huh? It keeps getting worse and worse as I learn more about the whole thing! Only if there was a way to get this out to the masses…

‘Excess consumption of polyunsaturated oils has been shown to contribute to a large number of disease conditions including increased cancer and heart disease; immune system dysfunction; damage to the liver, reproductive organs and lungs; digestive disorders; depressed learning ability; impaired growth; and weight gain.’

IMO this is bound to be from rancid, trans-fats : in fact, the conditions sound like a list from Udo’s Fat’s That Heal, Fat’s That Kill book. The article fails to prove that flax or fish oil will cause such harm.

I am in the midst of writing a book on this stuff. It will probably be another year or so before it’s fit to publish, but this is the kind of economic situation that has fallen onto North America’s collective lap over the last hundred years. While it’s a testament to American inginuity, it has also riddled our society with various diseases of affluence over the past century. The trends are there for all to see, if we just pay attention to the details and statistics. No one seems to be getting the message out, though.

Soon enough, people will realize the following simple rule: “too much of a good thing…”

Too much meat: elevates ADMA and homocysteine - Heart disease, Platelet stickiness.
Too much commercial oil (soy, corn, rape seed): peroxidation and trans fatty acid accumulation - rapid Aging, Arterial plaque formation.
Too much sugar: Advanced Glycosylation End product fromation and Diabetes/Heart disease.

How much % of PUFA,MUFA and SFA of total fat intake do you think we should be consuming? Weston A Price (WAP) recomends that we consume 6% of PUFA of total fat intake with SFA being the majority of total fat intake. I don’t seem to recall WAP saying just how much total fat intake but i’m assuming that PUFA should consist mostly high quality fish oils such as Sear’s Lab and flax oil for omega 3 to balance out the ratio of 6s to 3s. I thought a balanced or equal ratio of MUFA,PUFA and SFA should be consumed but after reading the articles at WAP, now I’m unsure about the whole thing…

yes balance out the amount of fats from MUFA/SFA/PUFAs, this was mentioned by pete in another recent thread, a recommendation from Beradi. This is in keeping with my ‘optimum nutrition bible’! Minimise the amount of fried fats, regardless of type, for long-term health, especially PUFAs, for reasons above.

I am familiar with Beradi’s stuff. I actually emailed him about WAP. He said that their reasonings behind PUFA was curious to him. He also mentioned that he wrote an article over fat/oil in Men’s Health out on the stand now. I’m gonna go pick a copy of it. I think i read somewhere that Beradi recommended as much as 70% PUFA! I think that was at his website…

In a nutshell, frying oxidises the fats -> free radicals, PUFA are the most prone to oxidation.

Trans fats e.g margarine, are hydrogenated in the production process, which the body cannot make use of, and blocks the body’s ability to use healthy polyunsaturated fats. Manufactured foods also contain trans fats.

Holford, P., ‘The fats of Life’, in Holford, P., The optimum nutrition bible, 1997

These statements aren’t backed up by references though.

Yeah that’s what I’ve been doing for years… Year to year I make slight modifications based on the new evidences that come out. Things always changes though.

I just went to JB’s website

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/7habits.htm

  1. Ensure that 25-35% of your energy intake comes from fat, with your fat intake split equally between saturates (e.g. animal fat), monounsaturates (e.g., olive oil), and polyunsaturates (e.g. flax oil, salmon oil).

As I said in the other post, i am familar with Beradi’s works. I didnt read the whole thing about 70% being PUFA, he was just talking about other people’s recommendations on how much is how much. I have a nutrition test in 2 hours and it’s not like I have time to read every single word at the moment! :smiley: Need to get back to studying…

LT, CSCS

Dr. Hollis: “Too much meat: elevates ADMA and homocysteine - Heart disease, Platelet stickiness.”

This doesn’t seem to be in line with Enig and Price. Or is it, what do you mean by too much? What’s your take on organic meat and offals?

For losing weight, Berardi does recommend a favourable Poly to Sat ratio:

‘Since fish oils are polyunsaturated fats, it’s important to not only increase fish-oil intake, it’s important to shift the ratio of polyunsaturated fat to saturated fat (P/S). Van Marken, Lichtenbelt et al (1997) showed that the polyunsaturated fat to saturated fat ratio is important to metabolic rate. A higher ratio of P/S leads to metabolic increases (22% increase in TEF and 3% increase in daily RMR).’

If anyone is interested in the practical implementation of the Weston Price diet, check out the book Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon and Mary Enig. It’s been mentioned on this forum before.

Is it any good?