Ok.
Does the equivalent stimulation approach still have some value in itself as proposed out of the specific context of this thread matters?
Sorry anyway for letting the core of the discussion drift apart.
I will think it back.
I think so, as I understand the question.
In training to be the best sprinter, you must invariably train to be the best weightlifter. I’m a sprinter who does both, and trains to be the best at both. This also includes plyo’s/cleans/etc.
P.S. I don’t believe that you can ever strength train to much to cause stagnation or a decrease in sprinting speed. The answer lies in the conversion. Ceterus Paribus, the stronger you are the more power you can develop, the faster your starts and accelerations will be as long as you increase your power to weight ratios.
It’s very easy for the limitless pursuit of strength to limit the progress of speed. Weightlifting is an adjunct to speed training, not an end in itself.
CETERIS Paribus… let’s pay some residual respect for us ancient Roman blokes… 
What if you have time to do both, is it then then CNS and Energy Fatigue that your supposed to be concerned with?
You may train to be the best at both, but it won’t happen.
Also, why am I still waiting for someone to post the times of weightlifters in the 100m & 60m???..
Oh I now know, and so do you…
Not to beat a dead horse, but just b/c one group doesn’t “post times” doesn’t mean what they do can’t be applicable to another group. Remember that weight training is general in nature to improving sprint performance, not the other way around.
We all know that after 30 possibly 40 metres that olympic lifters have no chance of winning the race. Ceteris Paribus, my argument is that if you have somebody who does both, than this person will win the race versus another who does one or the other at any distance up to 100m.
Well guys like Carl Lewis, Kim Collins & probably many others didn’t do any. So what your saying is, if you do both you would take these guys???..
Not to beat a dead horse, but just b/c one group doesn’t “post times” doesn’t mean what they do can’t be applicable to another group.
I bet I could beat most of the world class oly lifters to 40 yards & I don’t oly lift. There are better hip extension exercises I believe that are better suited to sprint performance.
Now finally we are getting some where —
A) What are those exercises (presumably, that you use)
B) What results have you achieved or any athletes you’ve trained achieved?
In time if I get those same kinds of sprint coaches.
Take a look at the above this.
I guess your still asleep or coming down from a joint, I’ll let your recover.
Ohh, I don’t know if I could give away the exercises (you probably know most of them anyway).
I don’t think you would believe me if I told you my results…
Brian, I just wanted to know, what is your bodyweight & 1RM snatch grip deadlift. I don’t expect you to tell me, I just wanted to compare it to mine in terms of relative strength.
Sure — bodyweight 150 (on avg… give or take 3 lbs) — never done a 1rm Snatch Dead — 5rm of 225, based off a true DL of 295.
Why would I have any reason to doubt you? maybe if you let the forum see what you do, then we’d lend you credibility. it’s a forum, so sharing is a good thing
Brian, How tall are you???..
I’m 6’0, 150lbs myself (built like a rail). I’m all about bodyweight/power ratio & relative strength.
Also, What would you regard as being a good 1RM lift according to bodyweight %. 2x, 2.1x, 2.4x, 2.5, 3x bodyweight???.. What would you regard as a goodlift according to bodyweight (outside of powerlifting).
Please Reply, Thankyou…
5’10" ish— that’s what it says on my driver’s license, and I’m sticking to it… Im not sure it matters %bodyweight/1rm correlation outside Olympic weightlifting and combat sports (that have weight classes)…
From talking to a few powerlifting buddies,
Most powerlifters in the lighter classes eventually drift up b/c of the added benefits of being heavier (shorter stroke in BP, easier to reach parrellel in SQ), so i’d say that’s not much of a factor…
From talking to (American, anyone was curious) football players and coaches,
While technically strength/weight and power/weight ratios are important, there are all kinds of reasons to have a less than optimal ratio, assuming you can balance that with impressive body comp and playing skills
As far as sprinting goes, obviously, the more power you can put on a smaller frame, the better, but I don’t think there are any hard and fast rules.
For me personally, I know that improving limit strength by 20% in the short run can equate to a 10% improvement or better in the long run. Kellyb had a great post about this in Quest4Glory’s VJ thread. It’s needed and easily trainable for me.
any other questions?
[QUOTE=Rock N Roll]I guess your still asleep or coming down from a joint, I’ll let your recover.QUOTE]
Check out my latest post in this thread “How does strength training improve sprint performance?”
I agree with David
R n R
Kim Collins does lift weights.
He did an interview on Eurosport after his WC win, when he said that he did lift weights, but, he prefers to use lift weights and move them as quick as possible.