what do you guys say about those splits? Do you guys think he opened up at about 20.7-20.8 range or do you think it was slower? Also I thought the 400m was gradual deceleration, but going off those splits it appears wariner accelerates at 300m-350m. I suppose it is possible since harts system works on 400m strength of fast guys and also the fact wariner said he kicked at 300m when he felt clement on his hip.
i ran my Pb, as an 800m runner in the first leg of a 4x400m. Certainly not lightning, i ran a 49.50, however, my best before was 50.80. I had never trained specific for speed to run a fast 400m. Now, the difference between my old Pb and my new one, was in the last 100m. Up to 300m, everything felt pretty normal. As i entered the home straight, i lifted my hip hight, triple extended and lifted my kneees. I dropped a guy who beat my in the Individaul 400m by 20m in that last 100m. He was with me at the straight, well, just about to enter it, and i powered away. Now, it was far from speed that beat this guy, it was pure strength endurance. I guess also, by the time of that run, within 3 days, i had run 1 x 800m and 2 x 400ms already. So it was my 4th run in 3days. IN hindsight, i missed my taper. I should have done some fast 400ās in training withing 2weeks before, and as well, some 200m races in the 2months before. In fact, knowing what i know now, i would have done tons different in the months leading into the event. More speed and maintained endurance. i easily had the endurance to run 2-3sec faster over 400m.
oh, my point, i might have felt like i was acc away, however, i would have just been Not decelating, like my opponents. Just like anybody running the 400m.
ok, ill stop rambling now.
This Sharmer guy seems more legit than KitKat. Atleast Sharmer seems like he has done more actual running than KitKat. I doubt very much a forum moderator actually gets out there and runs, to know what it is actually like. Hey I dont blame him, itās way easier to just name drop then to get out there and run. Sharmer shows us some inside knowledge of the way HSI train. He gets out there and mixes it with them. What does KitKat do? Make phone calls from his cabana??
Iām making no comment re:Sharmer but KK has coached a number of world class 400m athletes(both men and women)-he has proven to be a very legitmate source of coaching and track and field knowledge. Having read many of his posts over the years, Iāve never thought of him as a name dropper or braggart whatsoever. Heās ābeen thereā as a very successful coach, at the very least.
Charlie defused the whole situation between me and KK. I DONāT HIDE BEHIND FAKE NICKNAMES. If anyones got a problem with me. My names Vic Sharmer and I am at Homebush warm up track three times a week. Lets see if your willing to run your mouths in person as wildly as do on here .
WOW!!! Threats?? There has to more neurons firing upstairs to effectively debate without turning down this road. If Vic has been on this forum for as long as he says then clearly he should know that 99.99% of itās members are here for knowledge, support and comradery; not sophomoric b.s. Every track and field forum I visited before stumbling onto Charlieās a few years ago were nothing but VIPER DENS with just about every debate degrading into what we see here. Iām quite happy seeing the chronically quarelsomes kicked off the site.
Your right, the neurons stopped firing in my forebrain and the hind brain took over, but thatās ok, sprinting according to CF is a hindbrain activity. And I need some more hind brain activity.
However at least I use my real name and I am accountable in what I say, unlike those cowards who hide behind pseudo names.They are all too willing to make acquisitions, yet they lack the courage to stand behind them.
Well I guess youāve shown them then my manā¦ Hopefully no one will take the bait anymoreā¦ Iāve just poured myself a some Yak, grabbed the powder blue Members Only jacket and emptied my canāt miss mixture of Brute and Aramis. Itās 11pm here in Oakland, CA and as Richard Pryar once said, āSh*t donāt even start happening til 11:30.ā Time to make some bad decisions!!!
Good coaching is simply that, good coaching. John Smith could have done this anywhere as long as he had decent resources. Heās sharp and adaptable. By contrast look at the relatively results that both of his successors have produced. Thereās no magic in simply being at UCLA.
UCLA was a good fit for John because he went there and had been extremely sucessful, but there are more great athletes who have bombed as coaches than there are those whoāve risen to his level. John also has a unique understanding of California athletes that other coaches often lack.
Iām pretty sure that Coe did a session that was at least very similar to that. I had a friend who observed him training at Battersea Park and told me of something similar, though my memory of has slipped a bit on the details. The interesting thing was that the week after being told of the ākillerā session Coe was hospitalized with fatigue syndrome and missed the 1983 Worlds.
In order for Wariner to make the tranistion to the 800m there would have to be a significant increase in volume as it relates to his current program. Coach Hart has attempted to āstretch outā his methodology to the 800m with less than outstanding results.
If you want a fairly detailed look at Juantoreno did in training check out the following link:
Basically established solid basic speed and then made a major shift to very high lactate tolerance and power loads for the 76 Games. Interstingly it was slow downhill slide from there with numerous injuries. At the 1980 Games he only ran the 400m and was shadow of his 76 level.
The transition from the 400 to the 800 is one of the trickiest in this sport. Regardless of perceptions of body type or absolute speed (whcih he has plenty of), Wariner is a pure 400m athlete.
What I meant to say (and thought I had said, reading between the lines) was that a universityās resources - as a backup to the coach and as an added attraction to the athlete - was a potential asset. Be it UCLA or any other establishment.
There is no doubt in my mind that John Smith has huge knowledge on the subject of coaching track (and probably horizontal jumps, hurdles and whatever else he turns his mind to).
I was not trying to denigrate John in any way whatsoever, or overly emphasise the importance of UCLA specifically.
A good coach will succeed where ever he sets up, be it at the national training centre or in some windy parkland.
But backup resources will, at the very least, provide the stability and lighten the burden to enable and encourage that coach to keep on producing the talent year after year after year - just as John Smith has done.
Iām fairly sure that some kind of meaningful support (financial and/or material) helps prevent coach-burnout.
Coaches have it very tough; I have known two coaches pass away in recent times. Maybe my empathy is elicited from the fact that they work more for passion and they generally donāt get just rewards. A great life lived however sometimes easily forgotten.
Oops, I think that you took that the wrong way KK. I wasnāt implying for a minute that you had denigrated JSās ability.
My point was basically that a competent coach will adapt and make the most of any situation, and that those with less ability will fail no matter how good the resource package.
