The Prowler!

I appreciate what you’ve stated Sharmer and we are much closer in views than we are distant.

I think this discussion would be much more productive, however, if everyone involved had actual experience with using the device AND were to view someone using with with efficient mechanics.

Again, it is unwise to consider the video posted as any sort of model for analysis or discussion nor one to draw meaningful conclusions from.

If one was to consider the video as a meaningful information gathering tool one might just as easily make efforts to disuade anyone from weightlifting if their only model of viewing the lifts was observing the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRGbL88H_o4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IBYGVj5EpA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbRmDcnzGmw&feature=related

and so on…

Context here must be the conditions under which the device is used (eg efficient mechanics, load, speed, distance, etc)

No one is advocating it’s use within the context of speed development.

I’m only commenting on what is shown on the film- not reasonable usage

Everytime I see video’s like these it makes me believe more that oneday I will be a world famous speed/sprint expert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trUvJfintSw

whats wrong with that drill.

A better question would be…whats right with it?

Someone had a similar device at the track and it was fine as it was being used

its a simple acc drill, just like pushups starts etc.

Sorry charlie, are you talking about the prowler there?
So you think it could be OK if used with correct form to finish off a strength workout?

Thanks

RE:TAMFB

Why reinforce bad mechanics.

bro you have ur mind set, so use it all will be ok.

I was referring to AT problems with this exercise. With 60 and 80 sprints, the ankle joint flexes and extends. The contraction work in unison with the body. In the case of the prowler, loading targets the AT because the foot fails to undergo natural dorsi-flexion.

Most training activities have do entail some risk of injury. However there are some activities that have higher risk than others. The prowler places additional mechanical loading on the AT. This increases the risk of injury, especially in comparison to other training activities.

Have you ever used a device like this or known people to have had AT problems with responsible use of this device?

What do you do for your training?

“I don’t like the idea of using it for speed development, but how is it anymore dangerous than speed work (top speed and hills) or plyos for the achilles”? Enough said

My training journal is posted on the other thread, feel free to browse through it.

I 've seen athletes do similar movement using hurdles. They would push the hurdle up the track. Subsequently on of these athletes snapped their AT later that season doing a slow run through.

This device is MADE TO BE PUSHED–hurdles are not.

1 injury is not enough to determine jack.

to be fair, he is talking strictly about the risks to your achillies, while you want to broaden the point of discussion so that you can “win”. The main difference between risking your body doing speed work, olympic lifts, squats ect ect ect, is that they have alot higher reward to risk ratio, and can also be monitored more closely than this whole pushing a sled with partial recovery at the end of your workout when you’re fatigued and while leaving your good mechanics at home as the Defrancos crew seem to be apt to do.

edit: Enough said

ok, you have an hour, are you going to go to the track, or push this across a parking lot?

edit: looking at the device, it seems hardly any more pushable, or not pushable than a hurdle.

Additionally there are numerous similar devices used in Rugby. Numerous Rugby player have had going AT problems thought out the season when using this equipment.

Keep up us to date with the progress. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. You may have to learn through your own experience.

depends on the athletes and what time of the year we are talking bout. :slight_smile:

I don’t think I ever advocated use for a track athlete. I am saying that you are not anymore likely to blow up using this device versus sprinting top speed on a mondo track or doing hill sprints like a lot of people here.

edit: looking at the device, it seems hardly any more pushable, or not pushable than a hurdle.

It is weighted…