I was there when Dwayne ran that time at the Loughborough International, and I can tell you that the weather was superb. He came last in the race. He was taken apart in the race. He jogged across the line dejected. We discovered that his then coach Selwyn Filbert I think… had been putting him through some very intense sessions prior to the meet in preparation for the major competition where he ran a world best for his age.
From time to time the weather can be superb in Blighty…LOL. They did some crazy stuff with Filbert in those days from what I know.
Look, when you examine the facts even the improvement from 10.41 to 10.06 (once conditions are taken into consideration) isn’t as dramatic as it may first appear. His 10.41 was run into a head wind two years before (10.42 slight following wind the year before). He was really a 10.3x athlete at his best in the right kind of conditions. His 10.06 was with a +2.0 wind which in still conditions would have placed him at approximately 10.2. In effect he moved from 10.3x to 10.2 in two years.
HOWEVER, regardless of what his potential was, 10.96 was a pretty slow time for him to start the season with and according to his coach at the time, Chambers was not happy with that performance.
See - if you just look from the outside and “guess” you can make up your own conclusion based on nothing but Fluff.
Because you went and talked to the coach, it puts you into a league much higher up than that of other people. You ask and find out. Kudos to you for asking
So he runs basically 11, but he is under Hard, new and Full training - Far cry from doing just basic aerobic work and racing into shape.
He is running slow due to hard Training.
As he adapts to his training, he starts running faster later on - giving the appearance he is simply RACING into shape.
As he closes in on In-Season, he has adapted to his training, and its time to Fine tune all his hard work with Plenty of Races. Put all the pieces together at one time.
This returns us to the debate on whether everything is in place before the start of the season and maintained during the competitive season or whether intense sessions (re: training) continues on early into the season for the purpose of a bigger ‘rebound’ when it comes to peaking for the main event of the season. I recall hearing that the East Germans used to train hard through much of the early competitive season (as to I think Kentiris- though I may be wrong) and this did not seem to negatively impact on their performances on the big day. This said, the risks to an athletes confidence and of injury must be weighed against any benefits of such an approach.
Whatever it is he does, Bolt seems to get his 200m time down quite low in a very short period of time (clearly after top speed is in place) but appears only to need a period of 3-4 weeks of concentrated 200m work to bring his times down to what we have witnessed in the past couple of years. For example in 2008 he ran 19.76 (-0.4) at Crystal Palace on 26th July and ran it quite hard (it was only 0.01 outside of his personal best). Clearly his 200m speed endurance was not in place as he had already run 9.72. By 20th August he runs 19.30 (-0.9). This year was hard to tell as many of his runs were in terrible weather conditions. However it does appear that he does a triple periodized year with a very short SPP3 late season.
Couldn’t you say the same about his 100m? 9.72 all out with Gay in his race and then 9.69 easing down–huge difference really. He runs a lot fewer 200s outside of major comps and doesn’t necessarily do it in the best conditions. See Lausanne this year.
How you can derive the idea he does a triple periodization when he doesn’t even have 2 clearly different comp periods is quite baffling.
Yeah your probably right. Would be interesting to know how he gets his 200m times down so well in the last few weeks before a major meet particularly when he runs the final clearly tired.
Makes sence.
He comes out of Spp3, full training, still under load and runs a few meets at great speed. As he freshens up from his comp phase and gets some more races in, then does his 10day taper, BOOM, Big Pb’s.
Spp2 Leads him into some early season races, 100’s
Spp 1 leads him into some 400’s etc
Until we hear from his coach, its only a guess??
You would have to see a graph of his race schedule for the last 12months to give you a more clearer idea
Until I see a schedule of his competitions or hear from someone who knows, it is a little guess work. I can only assume that he does (at least ) two SPP’s one before his early season meets in February/March to May and another in the lead up to the Jamaican championships at the end of June/Beginning of July. He then ‘does something’ in his training/competition schedule (as boldwarrior suggests) in the last 3-4 weeks to get his 200 time down possibly an SPP3. Only those who know will know for sure. 2009 is difficult to assess because of his injury and the fact he charges so much money that he may not get the races when he would like, so an examination of his 2008 schedule should give us a clue.
One further question is that I did not know in the s-to-l that once speed is in place that it dosen’t take long to get the 200m SE in place (or is this a misperception based purely on guessing what Glen Mills might be giving Bolt).
lol where in the hell are people getting this triple periodization idea? Perhaps I have completely misinterpreted what Charlie has said in his seminars and the SPP video and the other materials, but I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how he is doing anything that could be construed as a triple periodized season. He gets faster over the course of the season… and he trains through some races… yes, as does nearly everyone.
His triple periodization occurs during championships. SPP2 and SPP3 are measured in hours. The quicker your SPP is, the quicker you will run.
peak1- 100m
peak2- 200m
peak3- 4x100m
Charlie has graphs that clearly show that he follow’s a triple periodisation plan…that’s where we are getting the idea of a triple periodisation plan…
Just a follow up on Dwayne Chambers. I talked to him today at training about the reason for the under par performance way back before his age world record. He told me that, they did some “Crazy stuff” in season with Selwyn his first coach . He described doing sessions such as 3x300 flat out or trying to run flat out with 2-3 mins recovery if thats possible. If he didn’t finish, then it didn’t matter as long as he pushed himself. 4x400 with 3-4 mins recovery was also used. There wasn’t any speed work as we know it. It was pure fitness training… I didn’t get a chance to quiz him more about the GPP and previous work done before they did the sessions mentioned above. He is very approachable and all the years that I’ve seen him or talked to him he’s been very welcoming. I mentioned the forum so maybe he’s already on here or may join. Of course he didn’t let on to whether he was a member…hopefully he is, if not let’s hope that he will.
Supposedly fogolson has the graphs and dvd’s?? He either needs to re-watch them over and over, and take many notes,
or
Stop trying to argue for arguments sake
If you Bite at him, he just keeps going with a very Nasty tongue.
I have triple periodization graphs but not related to Bolt. I do believe that, when push comes to shove, Bolt is following a S-to-L approach (albeit with plenty of tough tempo sessions, though I think they are still extensive- for him and prob only him due to his max speed) He competes first over 100m and then moves to 200m.
Hmm… the best improvement Bolt got over this past season was in his first 30m (intraseason, not overall)… so is he really doing S-L? Race after race after race he had bad starts and was in line with far lesser athletes to 20-30m and then he moved to the front of the pack when WCs came along…
Martn, nowhere in any of the products Charlie sells does he show a triple periodized schedule. The schedules he does have of triple periodization don’t look a thing like what Bolt is doing. Most of these guys don’t have any serious competitions until at least May and aren’t doing much tapering at all. Except for Gay in '07/'08, they don’t even have to run their nationals hard.
