Yes but the biggest problem is that it’s not a Western way of thinking.
lol its not a problem for me or you, you cant educate people about this stuff by simply telling them. when the student is ready the teacher will appear so to speak.
so wut is really the difference colbert of eastern thinking from western in relation to the CNS. is it embody all of what we addressed on this thread or from you and CF philospohies?
no23 or colbert, could you post some readings that you think are good regarding this topic so that I can see where you guys are coming from.
Especially any journal related articles as I have access to a wide range of journal databases.
If you read the information coming out about the scientific basis for eastern medicine (and old western medicine for that matter) you will find your answer! You could start with this most brilliant study:
Z.H. Cho, S.C. Chung, J.P. Jones, J.B. Park, H.J. Park, H.J. Lee, E.K. Wong, B.I. Min, New findings of the correlation between acupoints and corresponding brain cortices using functional MRI, Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 95 (1998) 2670–2673.
The article was retracted by its undersigned authors concluding there is no point specificity!?!?
its not as if the eastern world has some secret knowledge that we dont. all the knowledge is here the difference is how you view it. eastern cultures tend to view things in a more holistic light. they look at the big picture. not just the body but how the parts of the body interact with each other to produce a given event. this is key, to not only have knowledge but to understand it and knowing how to use it to achieve your goals. your question displays the western train of thought. you asked “in relation to the CNS” it may have been better to say “to the system” the body isnt its parts it is a whole and intergrated system of control and locomotion the two indistiguishable when truely observed. basically what im trying to say is one system blends into another and they are integrated as if you poured dye into a glass of water the two become one the only difference with the body is that the two have always been one. you have to look at it from this persepective and this means understanding not only the local effects of a stimuli but the global (bodily)effects of a stimuli. sure it may have a positive effect on one system but how does it effect the others and how do all effect progress towards the goal, whatever that goal maybe (sprinting, lifting, jumping, living ect.)
as far as I can tell, western medicine fixes everything with pills
i once asked a very intelligent man “what should i read to have a better understanding of advanced training methods”. he responded simply “what subject does not in someway contribute to the understanding of any other” he was saying that all things contribute to knowledge of all subjects. if nothing else exposure to varied subjects, postivly effects your ability to judge information, this, is wisdom.
dont worry, i do digress, and i will make some reccomendations. i just want you to understand that the synthesis of the things i and others have talked about are only possible because of the obtuse view we were able to take towards the subject.
anything on anatomy and physiology (its best to buy a college text, yes those 1400 page books, and sit down and start to read)
anything on kinesiology (another 500 -1000 page book).
biomechancis, neurology, motor control and learning, there contains 90% of the stuff i talk about.
anything by alan watts - he was the formost author in the 60s on eastern religion. you may read his work and think “what the fuck does this have to do with athletics” i feel sorry for you if you do. you may take something away that moves you towards a better understanding of athletics and if your lucky you may even pick up something about life.
Don’t forget the Oprah book club.
I think you guys are making training way too complicated. Also, the recommendations/answers in the thread are extremely vague. I could get more info on training from my fortune teller. What are you guys planning to do? Genetically engineer a child?
its difficult for me to understand comments like this. i thirst for knowledge i salivate at the chance to learn more dont believe me ask pakwei about our discussions. if you want to be the best or simply be the best you can be you have to have a understanding of what you are doing. the better your understanding of a situation the more control you have over it. God may be nothing more than a guy that knows everything. this sums it up simply “our acts can be no wiser than our thoughts, our thoughts can be no wiser than our understanding”
- george s clason
Understandable. I wonder what the great coaches would have to say about these topics. I’d like to see John Smith, Clyde Hart, Tom Tellez, etc comment on this thread. They’d probably look at you like you’re from Mars. Kinda like most coaches look at scientists.
lol the practical realm. do you truely belive that even great coaches dont wish to learn more. some knowledge helps some may not but all contribute to getting better. and knowledge does not mean it has to come from a book. you are correct experience is vidal to the puzzle but so is a rudamentry understanding of the components you are trying to effect.
Oops, its been some years since I read this! Interesting, I’ll have to look into this sometime. I guess all that trouble wasn’t worth it afterall.
Instead, I’d have a look at Crossed Currents by Becker to start with.
I like the theoretical arguements in this thread but I also agree that we need to put some practice behind all of this.
i once asked a very intelligent man “what should i read to have a better understanding of advanced training methods”. he responded simply “what subject does not in someway contribute to the understanding of any other” he was saying that all things contribute to knowledge of all subjects. if nothing else exposure to varied subjects, postivly effects your ability to judge information, this, is wisdom.
dont worry, i do digress, and i will make some reccomendations. i just want you to understand that the synthesis of the things i and others have talked about are only possible because of the obtuse view we were able to take towards the subject.
anything on anatomy and physiology (its best to buy a college text, yes those 1400 page books, and sit down and start to read)
anything on kinesiology (another 500 -1000 page book).
biomechancis, neurology, motor control and learning, there contains 90% of the stuff i talk about.
Ok perhaps you do not understand what I was asking, I was asking more into reference of how the Eastern culture preceives the cns, as well as articles covering afferent inhibition and other closely related topics in terms of sports/speed performance.
I am not asking for a broad overview, I understand what topics incompass training.
If there are any specific journal articles that you believe really bring home your points if you could please list them that would be great as I have access to a variety of databases. If not, then you can just say no.
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The article was retracted by its undersigned authors concluding there is no point specificity!?!?Oops, its been some years since I read this! Interesting, I’ll have to look into this sometime. I guess all that trouble wasn’t worth it afterall.
Instead, I’d have a look at Crossed Currents by Becker to start with.
Thanks TC i’ll take a look.
Ask your fortune teller then.
Training is not complicated,you are right.Once you start collecting data about thousands of athletes,and you discover that the ones (1 out 0f 1000 roughly) who are going to be Top Athletes and possibly leave a sign in Sport,do so regardless and sometimes DESPITE their training programs,all this training buzz HAS to be a simple thing in reality: whatever you do,who is going to succeed is going to do it anyway!
Just tell the other 999 beforehand.
It is disappointing to me that it’s often better to be a good recruiter (talent identifier) than a good coach. I want to believe that you can take someone of low potential to the highest heights but I just haven’t found that evidence yet. As my friend says, “you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit”.
Reminds me of Yuri Vaslov & Paul Anderson. Vaslov was part of this great sports system, had great coaching, great technique, etc but Anderson could still kick his ass training in barns with makeshift equipment with no training partner and no coach.
valery borsov. that was an athlete forged not born. thats what im trying to achieve with this training taking the average person to extrodinary levels and taking an extordanary individual to levels which redefine the term elite. if we want to get past waiting for the next genetic freak to come along and wow us with his god given talents we must learn what allows him or her to perform in this manner and then find how we can effect these changes in anyone to procude a superior performance.
Agreed but where were the other Borzovs? Wasn’t Petrovski given other top Russian sprinters later on but he was unable to reproduce or come close to Borzov’s successes?
ive been considering something along the same line of thought. people dont want to see how much work you put in they just want to see the results. we all know of the long hard hours many have put in but we really dont comprehend the level of dedication. i truely believe the genetic component to atheltic ability is minimal. not to say that you dont need any athletic ability but i think many simply arent trained properly or give up too soon.