question about allan wells training

Goose232,

I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from. It’s like anything until you actually see a squad in action, training on the speedball and watching first hand the transformation in conditioning it is difficult to comprehend how it all works.

I was a sceptic as much anyone but since I did the Bradley (& Wells )type training myself and experienced the difference it made to me and my stablemates (back in 1988), I have been a total convert and wouldn’t change it for anything.

We are fortunate to have access to our own athletic club pavilion where we have 6 speedball wall frames set up and it’s in a parkland away from houses etc, so the noise is not an issue.

It’s really what the athlete can tolerate in combination with the net benefit. I’ve had people who could jump/bound every day and not only remained uninjured, but benefitted from it. On the other hand. I’ve had some who couldn’t tolerate much if any jump type work. It’s a matter of knowing your client.

Goose, I’ve talked to Dan a fair amount and have never heard him advocate a pattern or training such as this. In fact, he keeps it pretty simple and doesn’t vary much from his set template which has been discussed on this forum fairly extensively.

Ok Ahtletics coach, thanks for clarifying. I find that I amlucky enough that I can tolerate hops and jumps many days in a row. I don’t know if that is from my basketball background when I was younger, or the way I do plyo’s or what, but I’m happy about it.:slight_smile:

I was thinking of speed-ball motion with light dumbells / wrist weights, but aparently it is not the same effect. The shoulders tighten up and pump with acid sonner with the weights in hand, and I don’t think that is the exact effect you are recomending with speed-ball.
In the mean time, I am doing weighted push ups with a sand bag on my back, and I do not have access to weight training. I had some weights, but not a power lifting style bench for proper bench pressing.

maybe Goose you expanded the 3 day rollover from Dan’s, but usually the days are not like that…a

That is not at all a DP set-up nor is it his 3 day rollover.

The I simply read a website that was wrong in the information it gave about Bruny Surins’ training methods during the ‘speed build-up’ phase.
I don’t know why some web sites do it, but they do. It was a old piece of information fromabout 6 or 7 years ago, that I read it.

Are you talking about this article?

by Michel Portmann (PHD)
Professor at the department of Kinanthropology at the Université du Québec à Montréal and Bruny’s personal coach.

Can your provide the link?

This ( wrong) 3 day rollover was featured ina an australian sprint presentation by Faccioni.
The common 3 day rollover is more like
power activity
elastic and metabolic emphasis
speed endurance

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:wwh5LTN94nkJ:www.oztrack.com/USA%20Speed%20Presentation%202000.pdf+dan+pfaff+flo-jo+lunge&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShoByG200hmhqIRK30hH6118EUBy849iLX7aJmzptzA-S_2AjKT0n-pWESDLCddaP7NnJEChpRIPXxyRBjqPwk6nlIi3-pIbbydlfO9NzXbzspJM-SgQZYzGNBO29oQvOBhxz8O&sig=AHIEtbSxx4zhDm8kTidNYJMfuO7gH2V1sw

If you scroll dopwn to page 18…

It sais Dan Pfaff. 3 day rotation…

Day 1. Acceleration - Power
Day 2. Top-end speed.
Day 3. Speed endurance.

After that is sais “Rotate these sessions.” Some how I miss-interpreted that to mean: repeat same the next three days.

I remember the web page also featured a little on John Smith & H.S.I club phillosophies, and it said Dan Pfaff used the coaching cue of driving the legs like ‘pistons’ in the early accell phase.
The same article was a mish-mash of various well known coaches. It also said Flo-Jo could do a 150kg lunge.

That’s a substantial misinterpretation bc those are just the high intensity days. He lets the athlete decide how they want to do it. In one of his seminars he said some people with go 1 rest 2 rest 3 rest repeat others might go 2 days of rest, some do all 3 days and then rest a long period (if in a unique situation), etc.

Didn’t Dan, maybe joking, mention that he had one athlete do one 3-day rollover cycle in a month while in Europe?

Wouldn’t surprise me if they actually only did that when they didn’t have a coach around to hound them.

Yep. I think that was with competitions in between the days, though.

Ya I kind of assumed that as well, either way the implication was that he felt he pushed the kid too hard going in.

Was that Oba? :stuck_out_tongue:

Question for Youngy. What happened to Clay Watkins at the Aust Nationals. Was he injured or sick?He seemed to be progressing really well then a 48+ run in Perth. Just interested. BTW well done with Woodhams at Stawell.

G’day Grooster,

A bit shocked actually. Didn’t see it coming and I’m still not sure what happened.

We’ve had one private discussion about it and he has his theory and I’m still thinking about mine. I certainly believe he was training & running better than 48.22 shape! But why it happened - ?? god knows.

I wasn’t in Perth, followed the results over the net.

As I had my hands full with the Stawell/Ballarat campaign maybe I took my eye off the ball in respect to Clay…can’t put a finger on it but will be having an indepth discussion later in the week and go through everything.

All’s not lost - if they are willing to pick Moore on his 46.7 at the nationals, and leave a spot open, there might be a chance to run something respectable (low 46’s or a PB…) in July that may impress the selectors. Have to wait & see what we can do.