Did I win???.. 
Maybe…
If only there was an actual argument going on, as opposed to some people trying to educate a lesser light…
First, soccar relies on short acceleration, not max speed, so training will vary slightly from the sprinter as there’s no real top speed, nor, interestingly, is there ANY Special Endurance requirement- only general endurance (aerobic)
Second, the shorter the accel distance, the more pure power is involved, so please spare us the rediculous assertion that the lower the strength level the better the accel! (The world record in the standing long jump is held by a Shot Putter, Al Feurbach at 12 foot 4 inches!
Third, I’m sick and tired of hearing about Kim Collins. don’t get me wrong, he’s a great sprinter, but, he would never be champion without the new and unbelievably stupid false start rule, that allows hopeless starters to nail their more powerful opponants to the blocks by deliberately false starting! You may point out that R/Ts don’t seem to have changed. That’s true (just ask yourself if your R/T would change when a car backfires behind you. the problem is the lack of confidence to realy deliver the force into the blocks (gee! Was that really the gun??) Punishing the strong athletes in the 100m is like punishing the kids in class for studying!.
YES! Finally the great one has commented.
I wasn’t saying completely, that the lower the strength level the better the accel. I said, “I have always believed a superstrong lowerbody with little mass on your upperbody, will produce your best 40 times and acceleration”.
Do you agree or dis-agree with this Charlie???..
Kim Collins, don’t get me wrong, he’s a great sprinter, but, he would never be champion without the new and unbelievably stupid false start rule, that allows hopeless starters to nail their more powerful opponants to the blocks by deliberately false starting!
It was every man for themself. I can’t recall if there was a false start in the 100m final, but even if there was, every guy in the blocks is going to be anxious about false starting again after the first one and getting thrown out of the race. It doesn’t matter if you were Dwain Chambers, Darrel Brown, Kim Collins etc, there all going to be anxious regardless of there strength levels. Collin derserves his props, he was probably anxious too, just like the rest of them and came out on top in the final.
They know the rules and luck involved in trying to “guess the gun”. If they try to guess the gun and nail it, they will probably go all the way, if they false start, there going to be anxious, they all would. The top guy on the night wins.
A stupid rule, which screws up starts, obviously adversely affects those with the best starts most. This means those with the most power- and has nothing to do with “guessing the gun”
A stupid rule, which screws up starts, obviously adversely affects those with the best starts most. This means those with the most power- and has nothing to do with “guessing the gun”
Everyone is racing under the same conditions & rules.
Its like a professional golfer using the excuse of playing badly and shooting a high score because of the bad weather conditions. All the golfers in the competion have the exact same conditions to cope with.
I don’t see the reasoning why a sprinter who looks stronger and more powerful than say a Kim Collins, how they would be affected more with the new false start rule. Again, its the same conditions for everyone. Kim Collins in the blocks would be like, “You ain’t throwing me out of the race”, along with everyone else.
“The guy with the most power” should come out on top. And no one seemed to produce more strength x speed than Kim Collins in Paris. So when he won gold, he had to be the most powerful. Again, you can blame the rule that a “Mr Olympian” contender didn’t win gold, or he was stuck to his blocks because of it, but in the end you got to race and get on with it.
If Dwain Chambers used the excuse of blaming his 4th place on the rule, I’d be like, come on, you got beat by the better man. Just like a guy blaming his bad score in a golf tournament on bad weather.
Originally Posted by Rock N Roll
I wasn’t saying completely, that the lower the strength level the better the accel. I said, “I have always believed a superstrong lowerbody with little mass on your upperbody, will produce your best 40 times and acceleration”.Do you agree or dis-agree with this Charlie???..
Originally Posted by Charlie Francis
Of course, I disagree.
If you dis-agree, would a stronger back be more beneficial to a sprinter than a big chest and bench press???..
hmmm so now your saying charlie’s wrong…i think what hes saying is even though reaction times are the same, not as much pressure can be put on the blocks as before not allowing people to “fire” out, which if they were able to do they would have a much faster more powerful acceleration phase and would leave Kim Collin’s in the dust, but because of the rule this isnt possible and thats how kim collin’s won the worlds…and whether youd like to believe it or not your upper body is very much involved in any phase or part of sprinting…and why do you always associate a big amount of hypertrophy with strength? Thats just not how it goes, look at Ben Johnson, his chest wasn’t “huge” but he benched i think 405 for a double or triple, lift in the lower rep range with heavy weights and just let the mass take care of itself, itll stop when it starts to become non functional and as well look at oly lifters or lighter power lifter who lift 4-6 days a week! They arent huge, but they are damn strong(just as an example a 164lb man squatted 805lbs). Again no ones saying a heavy squat or bench press are essential, but they are very powerful stimuli to the organism and nervous system that should be utilized, and thus far histories fastes times have been run by people utilizing them.
I’m not sure where in the archives it is but there’s a picture of Ben in the start position showing his erector spinae- the size of most men’s hamstrings. he had a strong chest too- but all at a bodyweight of only 173 pounds- it’s possible to develop great strength to weight all round.
As for your follow-up on race conditions and your golf analogy, I won’t comment on golf- but in sprints, I feel qualified to speak- and conditions are NOT the same.
I hope you’ll read some of the material available here at the site so you can get up to speed on the arguements for and against various training methods.
here it is. http://www.charliefrancis.com/community/showthread.php?t=733 thats what a sprinter is supposed to look like
I love DWatling’s comment on that link you just gave me, reminds me of someone saying the same thing.
I’m not sure where in the archives it is but there’s a picture of Ben in the start position showing his erector spinae- the size of most men’s hamstrings. he had a strong chest too- but all at a bodyweight of only 173 pounds- it’s possible to develop great strength to weight all round.
How is it possible to develop great strength to weight all round???.. I know Bruce Lee achieved it, but he overtrained and in the end having 2% BF must have killed him…
I ain’t going down to 2% BF, road cyclists are some of the leanest athletes on earth, and there average is around 6%-10%. Anything below is believed to deprimential to performance.
Looks like one because of his low body fat percentage, doesnt train like one…
Not sure if this has already been posted but there is some information on soccer training at www.overspeedtraining.com
James Smith
Overspeed again? Please check out the archives on overspeed work. we have had extensive discussions on this topic.