Unless you add them the other way around; then only 24% of the time is spent walking 
Yes, we are thinking on the same thing… Actually I was searching some paper(s) which finds the corelation between repeated HI runs and VO2max (or beep test result), and you hit right in the bulls eye! TNX A LOT SVASS!
I will read your paper thouroughly, and I hope you will give me more on the subject?
Here is the question that bothers me:
Is it necesery to measure SpeedEndurance (or IntervalAccelerationEndurance, as I called it in my 1st post on the site, or SpecificSoccerEndurance) by doing repeated HI sprints with predefined rest period (7x30m with 25 sec rest) and to calculate index between first/last, best/forst rep, or it is enough to do some beep test-shuttle run (or VO2max test, but I dont belive in VO2max testing - Noakes) if there is a strong correlation?
Can you expand on this please? Do you need then special SpeedEndurance sessions to improve this “recoverying” ability? Or do you reffer that improving aerobic capacity too much impair speed in soccer players. I agree that there should be some deggre and relation of speed/endurance development, actually if you push too much tempo work-aerobic work- to improve recovery between HI burst, you may actually limit HI burst, so you get endurance athletes not soccer players. This is because: if you spend too much time on aerobic work you have less to spend on speed work, and there is also a influence of aerobic capacity on speed abilityes? Opinions?
Duxx,
The paper that is posted on James Smith’s site is a cut down version of the one I did for class - 10-12 pages of literature review have been ommitted. PM me your email address and I will send you the actual paper. I’ll have to double check, but I believe that I have all of the papers that are referenced in my paper on my hard drive still, and can send you any that you want to see.
I’m on my way out the door, but will comment on the other questions when I return.
Exactly. However, this is a complicated issue - and where science gets left behind and coaching comes to the forefront. What are the positional requirements? What is the most important requirement for success at the position? How does the player meet these requirements? What do you need to address with the athlete? How does the athlete respond to various types of training stimmuli? . . . etc, etc, etc.
There is no simple answer. As Number Two likes to say, “It depends.”
Sorry Omyss.
Didn’t mean to hijack your thread - I know you are looking for simple answers, and don’t like reading the ‘scientific stuff.’ 
More opinions wanted:
Regarding NCAA M + W soccer teams first practice, men test 3 mile, women test beep test, and now the bio. med dept. at our school has contacted me and the athletic dept. to help with a VO2 max test. and I’m sure the soccer coaches will require their teams to participate.
What is the best test, if any…and what’s the argument against VO2 max testing?..
What do other S & C coaches do when team coaches demand certain tests that you may not agree with and are almost required to go along with. One would think rational/scienetific dicussions would help, however, that is not always the case. (W-Lacrosse tests 5 X 300yd shuttle 3 min. rest avg. time) {Hey, Asbury, you thought I was a shuttle fan.}And now to complicate matters all our team coaches seem to be getting excited over this Vo2 max test. What sports will benefit most if any…the testing will be 4 X in 1 year.
Give them to read Noakes papers about VO2max… 
No seriously, how do you plan measuring VO2max? Direct or indirect?
Explain them that beep test (20m shuttle run) is more specific than any other test, and by the way there is a calculator that can calculate VO2max with result on beep test! I hope it helps!
not exactly, but you can get a problem in your head: What will i be?
For me: i wanted to be a sprinter in all points, i wanted to get everything out of my body for times,time, times…
If you have this feeling, you will get probs.
Example: Endurance training in soccer- then you think: Man, doesnt matter for sprinting…
and so on
hey guys i’ve searching around, and i’ve heard alot of good things about farltek training for soccer players (and all atheletes for that matter), heres a sample fartltex session i got off of sports-fitness adivsor .com… let me know what you think:
Session 4 – Mulit-Sprint Sports (Soccer, basketball tennis etc.)
Warm up with a steady jog for 10 minutes
Jog for 60 seconds
Run hard (3/4 pace) for 90 seconds
Jog for 45 seconds
Sprint for 10 seconds
Jog for 30 seconds
Run backwards for 30 seconds
Walk for 30 seconds
Run hard for 60 seconds
Repeat 3-4 times
Cool down at a steady pace for 10 minutes
Who’s interpretting the results and who’s going to use them in training?
PS this is for another post, if there is the possiblity of doing such a test, why use a prediction, I wonder?
Our ass. program director of the dept. of Chem, Bio and Materials has got a grant to do a study regarding VO2 max, body comp, nutrition/health survey, This all part of University grants, peer reviews, published papers, grad. students…" a controlled evaluation of the relationship between exercise habits and the fitness of college age students"
The long range goal is to identify a min. level of fitness a college student should meet…and whether intervention used will lead to lifestyle adaptation.
As the S & C coach at our school I’ve been asked to contribute with training grad. students for testing and help promote volunteers. But, like I stated earlier coaches getting excited may take away from training that we should focus on, not this concern over VO2 max for our athletes.
ahhhh i feel your pain. Coaches and these assanine tests…it never ends. But, i don’t want to turn this thread into a “how to deal with sports coaches” thread. Bottom line, what will these tests show you? After you answer that question, then you can answer the question of…then, are we testing just for the sake of testing? The S&C coach should make the final call on all performance tests.
Also, if you saw the last Vancouver DVD, Charlie had a few good stories about Vo2 testing and hockey players. Garbage.
Why are you making this so complicated? Here you are doing sprints with shortened recoveries. That won’t improve your speed. Why don’t you consider the idea of having a speed day(with complete recoveries) and a tempo day(for low intensity work). They are very compatible. Both of these sessions will improve your endurance.
Speed days will help increase your speed, which will then allow you to train above the capacity that you once did, and therefore any sub-maximal run from then on will be easier because you are capable of running at higher speeds. Tempo work will improve your endurance due to the nature of the work with shortened recoveries.
i don’t know lol… i just heard the term farltex thrown around alot when it comes to soccer so i looked it up and thats what came up…
IMO, Fartlecks would be good for tempo days perhaps if you jog on the easy runs and pick it up to a stirde on the “go’s”.
But again this is not needed regular extensive tempo would be sufficent. For for a change of pace fartleks would be fine.
i found this article written by CT at t-nation… besically he advocates doing 400s at full speed with at most 120 seconds between reps for hockey players… now i know the two sports are quite different but hockey players no doubt have incredible cardiovascular fitness… so do you think this kind of session would be good to do say once/week??? it kinda seems like a speed endurance session, but CT is a respected coach:http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459414
Who’s program are you gonna believe…
Some guy on T-Mag, who’s worried about keeping his biceps toned.
or
Charlie Francis, quite possibly the best sprinting coach in the world.
It’s not a tough decision…
alright i guess i should just accept what you guys are trying to tell me… that being said i’ve come up with a full offseason routine and would greatly appreciate if you guys let me know what you think (ie, how are the tempos/speed sessions… will i overtrain etc) I know its long, but plz reveiw it if you have the time…
The weights program is the single factor 5x5 program by bill star followed to a T… I’ll breifly describe the sessions but for a more detailed description :http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm?20055
MONDAY – Heavy Day
Squat – 5 sets of 5 (working up to PR at final set- this will be the same weight used at the 3 rep set on the previous friday)
bench– 5 sets of 5 (working up to PR at final set- this will be the same weight used at the 3 rep set on the previous friday)
rows (90 degrees) – 5 sets of 5 (working up to PR at final set- this will be the same weight used at the 3 rep set on the previous friday)
assistance: 2 sets of good mornings (NTF-not to failure)
4 sets of weighted Sit-ups (NTF)
4 or more hours later - (i.ii will be alternated on a weekly basis)
i)interval run
5x300 at a 70 second pace with 1 min rests between reps
rest 90 secs than do another 5x300 as above
ii)farltek session
Warm up with a steady jog for 10 minutes
Jog for 60 seconds
Run hard (3/4 pace) for 90 seconds
Jog for 45 seconds
Sprint for 10 seconds
Jog for 30 seconds
Run backwards for 30 seconds
Walk for 30 seconds
Run hard for 60 seconds
Repeat 3-4 times
Cool down at a steady pace for 10 minutes
TUESDAY-tempo
(70-75%): 6 sets of (50+100+150+200 meters)
rest between sets of 1 mins
rest between reps will be 10 seconds for the 50, 20 seconds for the 100, 30-40 seconds for the 150
WEDNESDAY –
Squat – 4 sets of 5 (lighter than monday)
Incline Bench – 4 sets of 5 (PR attempt at final set)
deadlifts – 4 sets of 5 (PR attempt at final set)
Sprint session (4 or more hours later depending on how much time i have)
5x40 (rest 2-3mins between reps)
3x60 (rest 3-5mins between reps)
3x100 (rest 5-8 mins between reps)
3x10 depth jumps
3x10 bounding
3 sets of situps
THURSDAY- tempo -
(70-75%) - run 30, do burpees for 10 seconds, crunches for 10 seconds, then run 30 again… walk for 5-10 seconds…repeat for 10 sets then rest for 1 min
Run 50, jumping jacks for 10secs, split jumps for 10 secs, run 50… rest 10 secs, then repeat for 4 sets then rest for 1 min
run 100 m, run 20-25 secs, repeat 10x then rest 1min
run 60m, rest 15 secs, repeat 10x
run 150 rest 25 seconds, then run 150 again
FRIDAY -
Squat – 4 sets of 5, 1 triple (2.5% hevier than mondays PR set of 5), back-off set (lighter weights for 8 reps NTF)
Bench – 4 sets of 5, 1 triple (2.5% hevier than mondays PR set of 5), back-off set (lighter weights for 8 reps NTF)
rows – 4 sets of 5, 1 triple (2.5% hevier than mondays PR set of 5), back-off set (lighter weights for 8 reps NTF)
Weighted Dips – 3 sets of 5-8 (NTF)
Sprints (4 or more hours later)
10x10m (30 secs -1min rest between reps)
5x30m (2mins rest between reps)
4x40m (3-5mins rest between sets)
agility drill:zig zag, sprint linearly for 10m, then make a sharp 90 degree cut, sprint 15 m, then another cut…x3 with 2-3mins rest between reps
… 3mins between sets
sat and sun- off
for the first 6-8 weeks i will be doing sprints after weight sessions to emphasize str, then i will switch things up0 to have sprints first…
Well how is it?
lol too long huh?? ok i’ll ask a shorter question…
How long should the rests be between sprints?
Is 1min rest for every 10m sprint enough? ie 40 m sprint 4mins rest???
Yes that is enough rest.
Some people may not agree with me here but I may even cut it down slightly since they’re team sport athletes. Most of them proably are as neurologically advanced as competitive sprinterss so based on observation, 90 sec. for a 20m and 2 mins for a 30m should be sufficent. ATP is at least 75% replenished at that point. For sprinters who are nerologically advanced the CNS becomes an issue of recovery.