Good grief! 12x100 and 10x40 and 2x120. I’m assuming they weren’t done at extensive tempo pace. I’m sure the chocolate milk will help them recover from that!
The following quotes are a little troubling:
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[li]“It’s pretty simple,” Barwis said. “What did you drink when you were a baby? When did you grow faster than that? Never did. Evidently, Mom and Dad knew right in the first place.”
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[li]“Maybe this is a good place to point out that Cobourne ran those 40s wearing a harness that dragged a wooden sled with a 45-pound plate on it.”
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[li]“He has enough education to get accepted into med school but instead became an
[/li]ultimate fighter. That tells you how he’s wired.”[/ul]
But, I guess we’ll see what happens. Just don’t let this guy train the sprinters on the track team.
I’d been hearing for the past 6 wks. or so from a couple of inside guys of the seemingly extreme volume of training, short rest periods for much of the running, etc. they are conducting before articles like this have been put out.
One of the methods I disliked was using 40’s for attaining times(hopefully this is seen as conditioning and NOT as speed training) and punishing groups of players(with even more 40’s! I always think that if MOST players COULD perform at a level to prevent them from having to do more, they generally will but if they can’t then it might not be a great idea to add more of something they are not able to accomplish in the first place) when a member of their group did not achieve the time that was specified. I hope he considers the fact that some guys might not be able to achieve target times because they might be beat to hell with fatigue from previous days/weeks of work. It does not, unfortunately, seem like he does but I certainly could be wrong. It seems as though some coaches only see the failure to achieve target marks as a indicators of inadequate fitness and not signs of possible overtraining. Word is that he’s also a bit of a stability/wobble board guy.
Still, even with these issues, I believe he’s(Barwis) far superior to what we had before. Many more positive developments with MB leading the program than anything Gittleson subjected the team to. Free weights with multi-joint/compound exercises and very little machine usage, plyos, non-HIT protocols, closer to an actual speed program than what was there before(they only sprinted up to 10y under the previous regime with very limited exposure/focus on such a program).
Certainly not knowing all of the details limits me from making a true evaluation but I see much more positive than negative from Barwis being in charge. I just hope he does not fry those guys and injure someone in the process.
There are actually studies on the use of Chocolate Milk and Milk as a post workout snack that seem to be fairly positive!!! For all those people who are like “supplements are unnatural and over priced” it is the ideal get out clause.
Could be a looming sponsorship with Nestle Quick!
Perhaps this new coach is employing the, “There’s a new sheriff in town” approach with these initial workouts. But I, as will Pioneer, will be waiting to see how it pans out with regard to wins-losses and injuries.
Oh … the temptation to rant here on milk is killing me …!
Right now they do have three guys out of Spring ball, temporarily, with hamstring injuries. Not sure if that number would be considered excessive given the large number number of players on D1 teams but it SHOULD have him looking at his training as a possible cause. Looking at the weekly breakdown a few weeks ago,( can’t remember off hand what the template looked like, though) I could not figure out where/when they were getting much recovery. I’ll post if I can find the material I saw detailing the weekly program.
In the world of training, punitive workouts are the means by which morons define themselves.
Pryor is suppose to announce his decision tomorrow, I wonder if he’ll pick the madness or the buckeyes.
Honestly I dont think there should be as much hype as there is around him, if people only knew the relative weakness of a AA PA team compared to the 5A teams in the big states or even compared to AAAA PA schools its usually night and day. There is usually relatively little difference between A through AAA in Pa in terms of the top teams.
i think he will pick buckeyes bc of there pro type off.
Though I’d certainly like him to go mad, I think he goes with O$U-he’s got a number of friends that he seems to be close to among their incoming class of recruits and he’s been said to have them as his leader all along.
I don’t doubt at all he’s a great athlete but I do wonder how he can possibly live up to all the hype.
Exactly. Some of the teams he plays don’t have 30 people on the entire roster and all of the starters go both ways. When I saw his games, I wasn’t really impressed by any ability as he was simply a much much better athlete than everyone. Xavier Carter was pretty dominant at the high school level in football for similar reasons, but he sucked at the college level.
i wouldnt say X-man sucked but he wasnt a stud at fb maybe if he went to school a like baylor or wake forest he could have been a stud.
I didn’t believe the Pryor hype until I saw him absolutely dominate the Army All-American bowl game.
He will be a major stud whereever he goes, and I’ll bet that whatever school gets him will win a national title with him.
your right i forgot about that game.
I vividly remember him TORCHING Mississippi State. He among many other LSU players.
I think it was a lack of focus on fb for him.
Yes sir, also being at a top school like lsu that gets 10 studs at ur position each yr dont help either.
Quarterback Terrelle Pryor, the nation’s No. 1 high school football player, has finally made his college choice.
When Signing Day arrived in February, the 6-foot-5, 235-pounder from Jeannette, Pa., wasn’t ready to make his decision.
Terrelle Pryor finally ended the suspense and announced for Ohio State Wednesday at his high school.
As time progressed, he knew he was headed to the Big Ten. However, he had yet to decide between Ohio State and Michigan. After much research and discussion, Pryor announced on Wednesday he’s going to be a Buckeye.
“It was just the right fit,” Pryor told Rivals.com late Tuesday night. "The coaches, the comfort level, the players and the signing class they had. I am very comfortable with all of it, and I became friendly with the other recruits throughout the process.
“But in the end it came down to what was right for me. And after a lot of thinking, talking and consideration, it came down to Ohio State.”
Pryor was concerned about early playing time at Ohio State because the Buckeyes boast all-conference quarterback Todd Boeckman, but the overall fit in Columbus just felt better.
“I can’t see myself sitting and not playing, that’s the tough part,” Pryor said. “I certainly don’t want to redshirt. But being brought along a little slowly might be the best thing for me in the long run, and I have to look at that. I’m not sure if being thrown to the wolves and starting from Day One would be best for me. I know college is a big step up and there’s a lot to learn.”
There has been talk of Pryor being utilized like Tim Tebow was during his freshman year at Florida.
This has been very tough. I didn’t really like the attention, and it got worse after I didn’t decide. But I had to do what was right for me and my family. I’m excited about the decision.
- Terrelle Pryor
“If that happens, then that’s what happens,” he said. “I’m going in to compete as hard as I can and we’ll see where I fit in. I trust the coaches to use me the best way they can.”
Michigan’s zone-read offense under Rich Rodriguez was very tempting to Pryor, especially since Rodriguez has had so much success with it at West Virginia. Without Pryor, it doesn’t appear the Wolverines have the type of quarterback necessary to run Rodriguez’s scheme effectively.
“Michigan is a great school and it was a tough decision,” Pryor said. “I like the coaches there. I’ve known them since they were at West Virginia. I seriously considered them right up until the end, but Ohio State was where I felt it.”
[b]Ohio State hasn’t typically run a zone-read offense, which was a concern for Pryor. However, after further research, he feels he’ll be a better quarterback in the end because of it.
“Troy Smith ran some zone-read stuff early in his career, and then he developed into a pocket passer and did a lot of stuff out of the shotgun,” Pryor said. “He became a better quarterback - not just an athlete - by the time he was done. I feel I can do the same. Both schools said they would utilize my athletic ability in the offense, but I think I can be more well-rounded at Ohio State.” [/b]
Pryor is happy to be done with the decision.
“This has been very tough,” he said. “I didn’t really like the attention, and it got worse after I didn’t decide. But I had to do what was right for me and my family. I’m excited about the decision.”
What kind of training adaptation does a workout with 12x100, 10x40, and 2x120 cause? These “conditioning” workouts seem to be all the rage with uninformed high school coaches who want to make there players run til they puke. What training qualities do workouts like this improve? RSA?
It’s difficult to say without knowing the speed they are run at as well as rest intervals provided.
From a volume standpoint (1840yds) it is certainly manageable from a tempo standpoint. I, however, would bet that the players:
First- were never timed at full speed in the 100 and 120 and, accordingly, have no accurate time to divide by .75
Second- were likely required to run at a time faster than 75%.
I am certain; however, that the training effect varied from player to player because even if time limits are categorized by position you still have players within each position that have varied work capacities, VO2 max, anaerobic threshold etc and, as a result, what might qualify as oxidative capacity work for one is glycolytic capacity for another.
It’s unfortunate for the players that coaches aren’t required to understand sport training to the level required and it’s quite fortunate for the coaches that there are enough gifted athletes to compensate for their suspect training methods.
At any rate, 12x100, 10x40, 2x120 ran faster than tempo pace has absolutely zero correlation to any time motion considerations related to American football game activity -so if the workout was not tempo, which is probably wasn’t, then we know the only possible positive outcome is one far removed from the physiological realm.