He actually said that ANY distance behind the line is suboptimal. He said some individuals may go back a few inches without much ill effect, but he wouldn’t advocate it.
Maybe people see why he isn’t producing many guys with great 40s…
~4-5 months with weight on my back. How’s your back feeling?
What a boring rant with no substance.
Yes, MB does advocate this and I think Joe DeFranco does, too. “Why run more than 40 yards?” is their mentality.
Another Boyle gem is he feels you only need to train 0-20y in preparing for the 40y.
I don’t have a problem with athletes not back squatting and/or trying to drive up single leg squat values. I’m just tired of MB thinking he’s re-invented the wheel.
Isn’t the fundamental flaw in logic the assumption that when using the Bulgarian Split-Squat there is no force being generated by the back leg? I don’t think you can just double the load of a BSS and and equate it to a squat. The weight is fairly distributed across BOTH legs and not a single leg movement.
So a 100# BSS does not equal a 200# Squat
Does that make sense?
I was thinking the same thing. His logic is completely ridiculous.
He should have his athletes try pistol squats, I would be surprised if they could do 1 rep with an empty bar.
Elite athletes have used squats for decades. By all means add single leg exercises but don’t replace compound movements unless the athlete has underlying issues.
Yes, and it was interesting that Tellez endorsed it in ads but never had a single one of his own guys use them!! Not a chance!
If Boyle believes the low back is the limiting factor in squats why not do belt squats? What’s he going to do when one of his trainees gets hurts loading a single leg squat with monster weights?
When I first found Boyle I got sucked in to his hype, he sounded like a really experienced guy. It didn’t take too long until I realized he doesn’t constantly change his program because he’s growing, it’s because he has no idea what works so he won’t stand behind or stick with anything.
Depending who you talk to this week I am a genius
or just an idiot. I posted a video clip called earlier
called The Death of Squatting.
The clip is the talk of the internet forums. I
just want to take a moment to clarify. As I said
last week, I did not make this decision on a whim.
I have watched between 1-2 million squats so I
did not come to this conclusion quickly or easily.
I have been thinking about this concept for years.
Look at the definition of the word transducer below:
Transducer- An element or device which receives
information in the form of one quantity and converts
it to information in the form of the same or another
quantity
The conclusion I arrived at is that the back is a
poor transducer. The back actually prevents the legs
from being fully worked in the vast majority of the
population. The act of squatting terminates when the
lumbar spine can no longer effectively bear or transfer
load. I have watched thousands (maybe millions) of
squats and rarely have I seen the legs fail. It is always
the back. As a result, single leg work just makes sense.
Take a minute and read and check out the video clip
Death of Squatting if you haven’t already done so.
http://www.functionalstrengthcoach3.com/squats.html
We haven’t stopped doing bilateral exercises or,
lifting heavy weights. We still Trap Bar Deadlift and
Olympic lift. I also think that bilateral exercise is
crucial for beginners. I like the Trap Bar because it
a hybrid. It is almost a squat with the weight in the
hands. You get upper back development ala deadlifts
but, more of squat mechanics. I dislike conventional
deadlifts as most lifters have difficulty doing it well.
The Trap Bar makes it simple. I like simple more
than conventional.
However, if you have experienced athletes and you
want to keep them healthy and get them strong
consider the Rear Foot Elevated Split Squat.
a. Why do the legs need to ‘fail’ to get a training effect in the first place?
b. Here’s a neat idea: how about Boyle figure out how to strengthen the low back and make it not so limiting?
I mean, triceps usually fail first in the bench, has he thrown out that baby with the bathwater too?
Lyle
Straight up?! Wow! He actually advocates this? Holy crap I thought this guy was the real deal until I heard this. Personally I thought he has some good ideas for lifting and training. I must admit he does change his programs alot. I asked some S&C coaches if they played a sport and then did the classroom stuff like me and speedcoach did or were they just the quote on quote nerds in the classroom trying to overanalyze movement. The 1’s that did the sport then classroom I found I learned alot more from and made more sense. The quote on quote brainiacs were smart but as an athlete some stuff I did not like or feel comfortable with doing that they were teaching. Please dont get me wrong there some great coaches out there that never played a sport but for the most part I seem to learn more from the former athletes then brainiacs. Sorry to go off on a tangent but this is very suprising cause Mike Boyle has had some prominent S&C coaches on his website. But holy crap! I’m so glad my old coach taught me to try out the exercise then teach it the best way you can along with feedback from other coaches. Again, Wow!
That’s awesome. Squats cure cancer!
So nobody else picked up on Mike Boyle’s statement that “52 guys ran
sub four the year after Bannister”?
Yes, I noticed that as well.
A similar thing has happened after Bolt’s performances in Beijing, i.e., faster times by the very top guys and faster qualification times in major championships.
In the first 12 months after Bannister, only one person broke 4 minutes.
It is not the principle people are criticizing but, rather, the fact that Boyle is off by a factor of 10 as to how many did it.
Were qualification times really that much faster? Not much so it seems and Tyson was already running faster before Bolt’s Beijing performance, but a hamstring injury kept him from finishing out the season. Powell ran slower than his eventual SB and way off his PB.
I see! I didn’t realise that! 