Boyle only has his athletes do olympic lifts from the hang and they’re the power versions. He also prefers to have his athletes snatch with a clean grip.
Learning to power snatch really isn’t that difficult. Dan John has an excellent video that teaches how to clean and snatch. It really makes the movements seem simple and he has had trainees doing the lifts in minutes with his instruction.
I’ll have to check out the Dan John thing then. I find DB snatching very easy to learn, but I don’t find it to carry over much to snatching in other forms, especially when under reasonable loads (anybody can do a pretty movement with a bar or 95lbs). I have not seen these problems, personally, with the powerclean.
Davan,
Here’s Dan John website and his free book “From The Ground Up”- look under “The Book” link. It has good info and covers his technique to teach the O-lifts. The DVD has the same title and there’s a link to it on his site.
Dude, that’s messed up (but flattering, or stalker-like?).
Thanks for putting that link up, cool stuff. I’m going to go read that right now.
Whatever ur into dude 
. Nothing beats facebook stalkers though. I should know. I have many stalk…ees. :eek:
Just a note. I got Dan John’s from the ground up DVD and was not impressed. I like some of his seminar video stuff though.
I have done 2 internships with Louis and applied box squatting with professional rugby players and my observations are it gives you a false sense of strength. I observed players who could box squat 250 kg and couldn’t olympic squat their dicks.
I agree because there were multiple kids at my high school box squatting over 400lbs (sometimes much more) and could not full squat much over 300lbs (nothing over 350lbs).
Power and Davan, why do you guys think this is. Is this because of the wide stance they advocate or is it something to do with using the actual box(which I had assumed makes it a harder lift as it takes away some of the elastic tension built up in the eccentric portion)
I really don’t know for sure. I think at least part of it is because you can sort of cheat (idk if it is really cheating or not) and use the box to stop your downward momentum, which I personally feel is one of the hardest parts about lifting big squats. The range of motion is also significantly different along with the wider stance.
The sport of powerlifting is all about moving the bar 6 - 8 inches in a straight line thats why you can use stupid poundages - I’ve gone back to combining olympic lifting - powerlifting and bodybuilding in developing optimum strength and power. But if I had a choice between the olympic squat or box squat then there is only one winner if you want to devolop full range power OLYMIC SQUATS every time.
Wow, i thought i was the only one boxing more than my olympic squat. 160 vs 145kg.
You might be right about using the box to stop your downward momentum creating an advantage but i think it has more to do with being at peak tension as you touch the box and having the peak elastic energy to help drive you up in what is, for most, the hardest region of the squat (box +/- 1 inch from parallel). This is particularly true if you “touch and go” which tends to happen as the weight increases. In the olympic squat by the time you get up to this region you are pretty much relying on pure concentric power and if you haven’t built up enough momentum you’re screwed.
The box will have a better carry over for a PL squat because they turn around in the same region and assuming they have the strength to stop the bar they will be at peak tension, minus any losses from the break in the eccentric-concentric caused by “sitting” on the box and, as a result, will squat more.
Alan.
Wow, there is a lot of negativity towards powerlifters on this thread.
welcome back on board power…so, with you rugby players still employ a sort of coniugate method?
I find box squat can be useful, but do not give you an estimate of full squat poundages.
Yes I’m still a believer in the conjugated method and I occasionally use box squatting with my rugby players and I know consult for a premiership football team in England and apply box squatting to soccer players again occasionally. Its a good exercise if you have a player who is overtrained but is determined to squat - you know if he box squats he ain’t going to trash himself.
But I know after doing 10 sets of box squats and I’ve worked up to heavy poundages I still feel as if I haven’t trained - compare that to 10 sets of Olympic squats and I feel that I’ve been raped by a Rhino.