Soreness from a new lift can last much longer than the 48h between sprint sessions advocated by Charlie. I’ve felt it for up to 5 (but more commonly about 3) days. Moreover, using Charlie’s methods you will be sprinting (e.g. hill sprints) during the off-season as well.
Look at the quadriceps of Chris Hoy (sprint track cyclist.) His quadriceps are clearly very well developed. Far more developed than 99% of people who do squats.
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As for the bodybuilders you mention, don’t forget they are on much more juice and calories than every one else, with the goal to build size.
You probably thoguht I meant long distance cyclists like tour de’ france specialists or something. Well Duh, I meant the kilo sprinters inside the velodrome at the olympics. Their Quadriceps are more developed than most people who do squats.
Cycling up hills - sprints, added mass to my quadriceps quicker than any weight training exercise I have ever done. By cycling, I dont mean going for a leisurely 5 mile ride, like what you are thinking of. I mean doing 200m sprints up steep hilss, for example.
And by the way, former French cyclinst, ‘Chris Bursford’, had 33inch thighs., which is bigger than most pro bodybuilders.
Also, Tom Platz, rode his bike 22 miles to the gym, before comencing his famous squat work outs. If cycling wqas so detrimental to mass on the quads, do you not think the greatest thighs in the history of bodybuilding would have omited the bike ride?
The Atlas stones stretch the hamstrings more than barbell deadlifts, because youyr fingers have to go to floor level, when lifting an Atlas stone. Despite being experianced in Barbell deadlifts, my hamstrings were sore, the first day after Ilifted Atlas stones. You have obvously not considered the length-tension relationship, especially with the hamstrings.
If you’re going to be rude, and suggest I have lost my mind, just because I have pointed out facts, (that my own training results have prooven, and my observations of other confirm again), then maybe you have not considered as much as I.
As for pro-bodybuilders not using typical ‘strong man’ training equipment, don’t you realize that typica strong man props are just not as widely available in commercial gyms. Not because they don’t work (as you imply) but because gym owners have to play safe and just work with what they know, e;g;, a barbell and some basic machines.
Truck pulling would build the quadriceps bigger than squats, but nobody is going to install a friggin truck in their gym are they?
Yes, Jonah Lomu, built his 33inch upper thighs by pulling a metal roller (those things used to flatten the grass on rugby pitches), and he use it, the way some one else would use a sled pull.
Don’t lecture me about Dorian Yates. I’m the one that friggin mentioned him in the first place.
I mentioned him because he built his thighs without squats (an I also mentioned why he couldn’t get comfortable with squats - because of a hip issuehe had) and you practically repeated to em, what I had allready said about him.
- Don’t get rude with me, about ‘loosing the mind’, just because YOU can’t see past the dam Barbell back squat.
And Yes, the best bodybuilders used the machine squats as muych asd what they used the barbell squat. Fact. Just don’t cry about it, because to you the barbell back squat is something holy.
One or two individuals doesn not prove cycling builds quads better than squats. I can name dozens of current bodybulders with quad development never seen on a cyclist, ever. Any cyclists with legs like Platz?
As for the bodybuilders you mention, don’t forget they are on much more juice and calories than every one else, with the goal to build size.
Forbidden topic, but don’t pretend that problem only exists with bodybuilders.
You probably thoguht I meant long distance cyclists like tour de’ france specialists or something. Well Duh, I meant the kilo sprinters inside the velodrome at the olympics. Their Quadriceps are more developed than most people who do squats.
I go by the Superdrome in Frisco, TX with some regularity (near soccer fields and baseball field) and I see a lot of cyclists, but none that made me take a second look because of quad development.
And by the way, former French cyclinst, ‘Chris Bursford’, had 33inch thighs., which is bigger than most pro bodybuilders.
I googled Chris Bursford and found nothing. Even if it were true, I could give you the names of dozens of bodybuilders with much more impressive quads.
Also, Tom Platz, rode his bike 22 miles to the gym, before comencing his famous squat work outs. If cycling wqas so detrimental to mass on the quads, do you not think the greatest thighs in the history of bodybuilding would have omited the bike ride?
Funny, Tom rarely mentions biking for leg development, although almost every training picture you find is one of Tom doing heavy squats. Do you think if Tom did not do squats, he would have had the same quad development?
The Atlas stones stretch the hamstrings more than barbell deadlifts, because youyr fingers have to go to floor level, when lifting an Atlas stone.
Where do you get this stuff? If we’re talking stretch, what about straight leg deadlifts?
If you’re going to be rude, and suggest I have lost my mind, just because I have pointed out facts, (that my own training results have prooven, and my observations of other confirm again), then maybe you have not considered as much as I.
That comment was a joke, because the smith machine is a joke. And your observations proven nothing. Show me a statistical study that compares biking to squats, then we’ll talk about proof.
As for pro-bodybuilders not using typical ‘strong man’ training equipment, don’t you realize that typica strong man props are just not as widely available in commercial gyms. Not because they don’t work (as you imply) but because gym owners have to play safe and just work with what they know, e;g;, a barbell and some basic machines.
Truck pulling would build the quadriceps bigger than squats, but nobody is going to install a friggin truck in their gym are they?
Your deductive logic skills are lacking. If pulling a truck or lifting big round stones built thighs dramatically better than squats, then pro bodybuilders, who have access to strongman training equipment, would all be doing truck pulls, cycling, and liting big rocks. They don’t, because the squat is an easy, accessible, and very, very effective exercise for building mass and strength in the posterior chain.
Don’t lecture me about Dorian Yates. I’m the one that friggin mentioned him in the first place.
I mentioned him because he built his thighs without squats (an I also mentioned why he couldn’t get comfortable with squats - because of a hip issuehe had) and you practically repeated to em, what I had allready said about him.
He didn’t cycle, he didn’t pull trucks, he didn’t lift big rocks. He did traditional bodybuilding movements. He does not prove your point at all.
Don’t get rude with me, about ‘loosing the mind’, just because YOU can’t see past the dam Barbell back squat.
I was joking about that. Touchy. But please don’t pontificate unless you have some fraction of knowledge about the things you’re discussing. Look around. Powerlifters, Olympic lifters, bodybuilders all squat. Very few, if any, cycle or pull trucks to build mass. That should tell you something.
And Yes, the best bodybuilders used the machine squats as muych asd what they used the barbell squat.
No, they don’t. Bodybuilders use an array of exercises and equipment, but if you polled all top bodybuilders, probably 95% or more squat. Probably <10% cycle, unless its for cardio. Probably <1% lift stones or pull trucks. You do a better job of proving my case than proving your own. Here’s a quote from Chris Carmichael, one of Lance Armstrongs early coaches…
Contrary to contemporary belief, on-the-bike sprint training does not usually result in any significant increase in muscle mass. That being said, the first thing to realize is that you probably already possess the raw materials needed to fuel a powerful sprint. That is, you have muscle mass and some of you have lots of it. Odds are that you will see significant improvement by simply maximizing your motor unit synchronization, which is a fancy term to describe the process of learning to fire as many muscle fibers as possible simultaneously.
He’s seen hundreds of sprint cyclists, so I think he would know what he’s talking about.
Fact. Just don’t cry about it, because to you the barbell back squat is something holy.
No, not holy, but a damn good execise for posterior chain development. FACT: I’m not crying, I’m laughing, because you must have had a really bad experience in the gym to be going to such lengths to bad mouth what the vast majority of athletes use as the core exercise for posterior chain development.
Goose, lighten up. If you’re going to make statements like …
“There are so many exercises better than both the traditional back squat and leg press…Cycling sprints up a steep hill, will tend to add more hypertrophy to quads and upper thigh mass than squats…Atlas stone lifts (and its variations) can enhance posterior chain power, significantly better than any barbell squats. Try them if you dont think so. If you don’t have Atlas stones, then use sand bags gafa taped together, or just put weight discs on a sleeve.”,
…then be prepared to support that statement with fact, and not some anecdotal references to obscure individuals that don’t support your claims even if they can be found.
Australia has a great sprint cycling program. The link below leads to an article by Paul Rogers, the Strength and Conditioning Coach for the Australian National Sprint Cycling Team. They squat, leg press and do deadlift variations.