In-Season Work

Expert Discussion Planning and Periodization
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Thanks for the response, ado.

Both myself and 10.7 guy had some hamstring issues as we transitioned out of our mini-GPP into our SPP. That was mainly as we were moving from acceleration work into speed work. We haven’t had any injuries since then.

I guess I just forgot Charlie’s rule on that. I wanted to be able to keep some speed work in our workouts while also getting some special/speed endurance work in as well. I kept it down to 3 flying 20s to keep from overloading, but I don’t know. I guess the results tomorrow will tell me something about how much work load that was for them.

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Let us know how it goes. I’m really hoping your 4x100 guys don’t injure themselves at the end of the day. :slight_smile: Young sprinters tend to be pretty bad about injury-prevention and will run even when something might be wrong, especially if they are expected for the team!

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Thanks!

Here’s my guy’s 10.72 to open the season. He’s second from right with the black top and red shorts.

//youtu.be/femPFk3USwk

This is just me blatantly bragging on my dude!

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I am not of the same ilk as the others posting here but I have read over many threads and had opportunities to apply what I have learned. Just a brief synopsis of some quick relevant tips germaine to your posts

When you think of 2-3 wk blocks of time also consider how many meters your athletes are running in total, per intensity categories (hi-lo-med), recovery between hi-intensity days

400 M Relay work is part of your hi intensity meter tally. If you have an athlete that is also multi-event, LJ, TJ, etc, the speed they use on approach, drills, all serve as short speed work and therefore tally up as well.

Just because an athlete has their regained their wind during relay reps or sprints doesn’t mean that their CNS is ready to fire again. When they say they are ready for another rep, give em a bit more time.

A couple thoughts on speed endurance- 1. coaches sometimes think speed endurance is only achieved by placing reps one after another. The idea is to develop the ability to maintain one’s top end for longer durations. When athletes fatigue after a couple of close reps they are increasing the threshold but what percentage of their true top-end speed are they maintaining. Its similar to when a coach has an athlete do “killers” on a basketball court and call it speed endurance. After they run a couple times (acceleration included) they are not working speed anymore, just the duration of that pace.

If you have less time for GPP then its okay to extend GPP into the season so as long as you aren’t expecting quality performances all the time. Your athletes, for the sake of their confidence, must understand to some degree that they are under load. Use meets as a speed endurance workout with quality tempo (ON GRASS in flats if possible) the day before and after the meet. This is for their health.

Hope this makes sense

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Yes, sonic, it makes sense. I especially like the part about SE and how we can get in trouble with working duration of a particular pace rather than speed.
I just bought the Key Concepts book and have found it incredibly helpful.

Results from the last meet:
100 meters: my 10.7 guy (hell, from here on out: Gray) ran 11.4 to finish 4th overall. He said there was a very stiff headwind. The winner was a consistent sub11 guy with a PB of 10.70 - ran 11.26 to win this time around. So I reckon my guy was probably in 11.0ish shape, which isn’t bad, all things considered…but I’m a little concerned, because if he was in 10.7 shape to open the season and is now at 11.0, it means I’ve done something wrong between then and now. More on that later.

200 meters: Gray ran a 23.4 to finish 10th. He said the headwind was even worse this time around, so I think it’s actually not bad at all. We’ve set a goal of 22.2 or better for this season so we’re still a way off, but he’s responding well to the Spec. End. practice.

4x100: They got to the meet too late and couldn’t run. Argh.

After re-reading CFTS and then reading the Key Concepts book, I think a big mistake I’ve made lately is trying to combine Gray’s Special Endurance, or SE II, into his speed endurance, or SE I. It seems so obvious after reading everything, but… running a 220 isn’t helping his 100 meter finish at all! Running 150s aren’t helping his 100 meter finish at all!

My idea was that SE I would progress to SE II with the S---->L. Earlier in the season, through most of January and early February we were running 60s, 80s, and 120s. Then we started going past that as part of the SE II into 150s, 220s, and split 300s, leaving the SE I behind. I think that was a big mistake.
I haven’t seen a video of the last meet, where he went 11.4 into a headwind, but he tells me that he got off to a very good start and led until about 70… but then fell back.

In his 10.7 race, he led to about 50 and then fell behind the eventual winner who was flllyyyiiing, but only really slowed down at about 80 or 90.
What I think is happening is two-fold:

  1. We’ve had a pretty heavy training load as of late, whereas we were pretty light before his 10.7 run. He understands this so he’s not too down about the time.
  2. We mostly quit with the SE I stuff and now he’s lost a little bit at the finish.

We’ve got a month till the next meet. I want to go with a 3+1 thing but I want to make sure we keep all the elements in place even as we’re ramping up volume and intensity for these three weeks. For this week:

Monday: SE I
Tuesday: Tempo
Wednesday: SE II
Thursday: Tempo
Friday: Break
Saturday: Speed
Sunday: Break

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Looks like a lot of work - I prefer to do little work inseason and race every week. The races are the best workouts - have your short sprints run the 100/200/4x100 most weeks.

Sun: Rest
Mon: 2x20/2x30/2x40/2x50 (submax)+throws+WTS
Tue: Ext tempo
Wed: Relay+WTS
Thur: Rest or ext tempo early season
Fri: Pre meet mb throws/starts

OR:

Sun: Rest
Mon: 2x20/2x30/1x120-150 (submax)+throws+WTS
Tue: Ext tempo
Wed: 2x20/2x30/Relay+WTS
Thur: Rest or ext tempo early season
Fri: Pre meet mb throws/starts

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Ramping up vol and intensity at the same time may not be a good idea.

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I agree with rb. Once the season starts its too late to do any heavy training, unless I have blocks with no meets. During the comp season workouts should be more specific. Don’t over train.

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Ok, thanks guys. What I was describing with my last post was for a block with no meets - our next one is April 5.
What RB block-quoted was my (bad) setup for the week of the last meet. Our performances weren’t bad, considering the conditions, but it’s clear that I was overworking them.

Edit: I’m just looking at how crazy that Monday practice was. I feel dumb for throwing everything + the kitchen sink at them 5 days before the meet.

RB, can you explain the Monday workout: : 2x20/2x30/2x40/2x50 (submax)+throws+WTS ?
When you say “submax” do you mean that literally, as just anything less than 100%? In the Key Concepts book, Charlie mentions a Mennea workout where Mennea was running a bunch of hand-timed 6.4/6.5 60s and that counted as subbmax because his max efforts over this distance put him at handtimed 6.1/6.2ish.

When we ran our SE workout yesterday, some of my athletes were a bit mystified by the concept of running at 95% or 97% (strangely enough, the girls had no issues - just the guys). If your Speed/Start workout above is submax in the sense of 95-97% … what are some coaching cues for this?

On that note, I told Gray to just relax a little after our first 120 yesterday ---- he did that and proceeded to blow by me and run a really great time on the second one. So his “95%” wound up being better than a lot of his “100%s”

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It’s easier to stay away from terms such as “submax” or “95%” with your athletes. Most athletes don’t understand the concepts or don’t want to understand. Make it easy for them - set a cone at 20-30m and tell them to accel to the first cone then ride it out for the reminding of the run - this should help keep the intensity down.

If you have no meets - i’ll probably do something very similar to what I listed above - one of the keys would be when is the next meet.

No meets:
Mon: 3x30/3x60/throws/wts
Tue: Ext tempo
Wed: Rest or Mb circuits
Thur: 2x20/2x30/2x100-150/throws/wts
Fri: Ext tempo
Sat/Sun: Rest

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Thanks!
I guess the mb circuits on your Wednesday would all involve low-intensity medball work, rather than big medball throws and/or hops+throws?

Two issues that are still unclear for me:

  1. My 400 guys. Some have funny schedules that doesn’t allow them to come to practice with us, some just joined the team (because they’re basketball players OR because they actually just signed up), etc. This is more a personal issue than a real planning/periodization issue, I guess - but it’s like I’m always scrambling to come up with the best way to make use of the times when they’re actually at practice. I try to stay on them with 300s when they show up.

  2. My girls. We’ve got one girl who has been training with us on and off since we started, but the rest have just shown up relatively recently. I hate throwing them in the more experienced girl’s workouts, because they really lack the strength at the start that she’s got. I really want to do some hill work, pushup starts, falling starts, and basic accelerations with them. Although I understand that there’s no reason to focus on tenths of a second at the start when we can focus on the second at the end (of deceleration)… these girls are really, really bad coming out at the start, and I feel like acceleration and more basic GPP-style stuff might help them with their speed too. Does it make sense to focus on acceleration work once a week with them during this 4-week break?

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Don’t understand your first question… I see no problem with working on acceleration during the 4 week break - acceleration work is the foundation!!!

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Well, my first question is more of a complaint than anything. I have a bunch of 400 guys who show up to practice sparingly. I think the best thing to do is just to try get them in decent shape when I can, by running repeat 300s and the like at a pace they can handle.

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If they are any kind of basketball athlete their general fitness levels should be good.

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Yeah, the basketball players are in pretty good shape overall. The non-basketball guys miss for a variety of reasons and aren’t in great shape.

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I don’t know all of your current details but if you decide to do 300’s I would lean towards > ex: if your plan was to do 5x300 - I would drop it down to 4x300 and do 3-4x20-30 before the 300.

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Okay. I was actually thinking of doing 3x300. If I get a second workout out of them, it might be 2xsplit500. Something along those lines.
I will definitely start with the 3-4x20 though.

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Yes, it’s not much but at least your getting some form of accel work in 1-2 twice a week.

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RB has been offering good advice.

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I’ve used the cone at 20/30 thing with some success since he’s mentioned it.
Looking forward to getting some solid top-speed work in on Saturday!