Are there any weight training exercises that can come close to this watts output at the upper hamstring near hip?
Snatches?
Powercleans?
Dumbell or kettle bell snatches?
Med-ball overhead-behind throws?
And do these exercizes compare well c.n.s stimulation wise to max speed 100m sprint?
The 2nd pull has been shown to reach 5000 watts in the clean and snatch and the jerk drive phase has been measured at 5500 watts. This was published in a chart comparing the powerlifts to the olympic lifts in the book Explosive training for sports for a 100 kg athlete. This is from memory as I do not have access to my library as I am in Austria right now.
I squat 4 times in 10 days for the first 6 week@ 315 4x15 to the ground, thats prep work, than as i get over 500 i train twice in 10 days…
thunderthighs is back, i will polite !!!
ciao
Yes, Carl Valle pointed that out some time ago. But for how long and how many reps? In the 100m there are approx 30 steps at or above 3000 watts at the hip.
Also, the watts output measurement in Oly lifts is from both legs contributing directly to hip extension.
But the watts output at hip exension in sprinting is for each stride meaning EACH leg utilising 3000+ watts for elite.
Does this not suggest that EACH gluteal and hamsting in sprinting is using MORE watts output than EACH ham & glute in Olympic lifts?
(even per stride.)
Yes- so 30 x 3000+ or 15 x 6000+. Whichever way you want to think of it. Remember this is divided by time as well. So all this is in approx 6 sec
weight lifting produces power, sprinting allows you to deliver that power in the quickest amount of time. if you want to really build power try partial lifts with 125% of max. Becareful it a real deep muscle stimulation.
i dont want to upset or offend you but the above statement shows a complete lack of understanding. first of power is work divided by time or force times distance (work) divided by time. so that means the longer the foce is applied over a given distance the less the power. power is developed rapidly as in no while doing a 125% partial lift. weight training per say does not develop the bodies ability to produce power. power is work expressed in a short period of time. also the partial range of the movement lessens the power (force * distance / time). dont get me wrong the method is useful but not directly in the development of power.also deep muscle stimulation? what does that even mean, do you know? are you trying to say large motor pool activation (recruitment).
If that is what you what to call it so be. You do not offend me in any way. Iwas a power lifter became sprinter had a problem with flex ability. very tight. weight lifting gives you the abilty to activate deep in the muscle tissue.
running anywhere near 10 flat creats so much force that weight lifting is only complimenting the run, not the run itself… ciao
I’m also a powerlifter turned sprinter, and I have no idea what you mean, it gave me no special ability to activate deep in the muscle tissue. When I was a powerlfter I tried to up my numbers every workout, thats the whole point of powerlifting, I never even thought of deep muscle tissue activation, hah, sorry, not trying to make fun, it just doesn’t make any sense.
There are two basic means to improve the recruitment of high threshold muscle tissue:
increase the discharge rate, or the recruitment rate. Lifting heavy (due to the ramp theory of muscle recruitment) requires the body to increase the number of high threshold fibers, indirectly improving the ability to increase power. Sprinting obviously improves the discharge rate.
I believe Clemson summed it up once when he said “I see things like people squatting 4 times a week and I wonder if there just blessed with good talent.” Referring to Trevor Graham.
The thing is there is probably a reason why someone as slow as me can still out accelerate some of the fastest sprinters in the world. A BETTER PROGRAM!
With that being said. Here is my schedule, I was wondering if it were possible to lift just once per week. Yes I said it.
M Sp/plyo’s
T T (Wghts Bench/Squat/Shoulder)
W Strd
R Off
F Sp/Se
Sat T or strdes (Wghts/Incline/Front)
Sun Off
I was considering dropping one day of weights. This would logically fly in the face of everything proposed here… but, since my schedule is so hectic, and my weights are suffering a little, I might consider:
M Sp Plyo’s
T T (Bench,Squat Front/Mil. combined)
W Strides
R Off
F Sp SE (no weights)
Sat T or strides
Sun Off
Keep in mind I’m a bigger fan of Charlie’s old stuff. I don’t really buy into his new theories, just the old ones. You can do all your olympic lifts and hills all you want. Either way, I wonder if it would be possible just to lift once per week.
I suppose anything is possible especially if say you can out accelerate some of the fastest sprinters in the world.
I think it would be difficult to even maintain strength levels lifting 1x/week.
Do you see any benefit in spreading the volume of the ‘1 lifting session per week’ into a few smaller sessions to help manage training loads?
The thing is there is probably a reason why someone as slow as me can still out accelerate some of the fastest sprinters in the world.
You can?
Meaning you can run below 3.4" HT in the 30m and below 6.3" HT in the 60m during high starts training?
weight training per se does not develop the bodies ability to produce power.
154Kg slow concentric squat to 180Kg fast concentric squat in 8 weeks by doing weights only.
34W/Kg to 38W/kg in 5 weeks by doing weights only.
I call it Power…