Gasoline Prices

What I wanted to say but don’t have the ability to articulate!

I’m glad I can bike to work.
It only sucks my city sits on a hill… :frowning:

I’m in automobile capitol of the US, if not the world where the Big 3 are. Forget public transportation. They ignored they would ever need it. No roads are safe for bikes. No trains or trams available and buses are only on limited routes, usually from the urban areas to the suburbs. With many people living over 20 miles from work (which comes out to a 40-60minute drive each way).

The topping to this is because of the gas prices, many families are keeping their kids out of activities so they don’t have the additional gas mileage.

I know exactly what you mean, I’ve lived in a place like that. My life revolved around either sitting in a car, at a desk, sprinting on the track or lifting.
I had forgotten how to walk, no kidding… :rolleyes:

They may have them on the market, but unfortunately they don’t have too many of them in the streets. I don’t have the stats on fuel economy, but the average American car emits more than 3 times as much CO2 as the average car in the UK. Cars that emit a lot of CO2 generally perform quite poorly in fuel economy.

Interesting link on most and least fuel efficient cars:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/bestworst.shtml

I am so surprised that the most expensive cars are the least fuel efficient. :smiley:

Having massage chairs in the seats (Bentley GT) and being able to go ~200mph isn’t too efficient.

Cutting the gas tax will help the poor. In case you havn’t noticed they drive also.Having said that I’m not sure if cutting the gas tax is really going to help in a big way, I rather doubt that it will, but saving 15-20 cents a gallon is better than nothing. For the poor it means alot.

Our Nation was founded on the belief in small govt and limited taxation. In keeping with that any tax relief is good.

Not sure why your so in love with taxes, I think letting the working man keep some of his hard earned wages is a good thing. I know Canada has a different system. Maybe thats why you don’t mind the high taxes.

This nation was founded on charters because we had supplies that would help the mother country. Just to let you know.

And we broke away from the mother country in largepart because they were taxing the hell out of us.

The Virginia London Company founded Jamestown. It would be like toyota founding Boston today. Jamestown was the first English permanent settlement.

Going back the Mayflower Compact, this occurred more because we believed our location was separate from theirs i.e. not under their jurisdiction, more than it was because they were taxing us.

Fast fowarding a bit to the Boston tea party. The sons of libery only represented a small majority of colonists. When the Boston Tea party occurred most settlers did not really care about the tax. After the stamp tax and intolerable acts (and boston massacre: during which only five people were murdered because a rowdy,drunk crowd was firing snowballs which held rocks in them and one of the British soldiers panicked and fired back) it finally riled up farmers who gave into the radical Sons of liberties ideas. The myth of this country being founded based on religious freedom or solely on the purpose of avoiding taxes, is just that, purely a myth.

No. Your partly right. All that you say is true but it is much more complex than you make it seem. The bottom line is that people came here for many reasons. Religous freedom,economic freedom,political freedom, Most of the people came here originally as you say to earn money for England and the many other private enterprises based in England.

Your misinterpiting the settlement and development of the land with the actual outcome of the revolution. The constitution was signed in 1787 The country was settled around 1610 give or take a few years. This gives us 150 years of evolution from the first settlements until a full fledged revolt.One of the main reasons for revolt was wealthy land owners believed they no longer needed or wanted to have mother England dictating what they could or could not do. They were becoming quite prosperous with out the UK.

We are getting way off topic. So I will end it.

It was the intolerable laws that started the revolution. In lexington ma, not far where I was born, the first shot was fired, after the brits ordered colonists out of their way. It is still unsure who fired the first shot.

The intolerable acts fired up the farmers who gave into the Son’s of liberties ideas i.e. Paul Revere and co. The list made by the mother country was in response to the Boston Massacre and stamp act rebellion. They wanted to tighten the reign on the colonies, which made the colonies angry.

Thomas Paines’ common sense only served more to fire up the colonists who were already skilled fighters from the French and Indian war.

I agree with you that there were several reasons for colonists coming over. You also forgot the headright system (legal grant) 50 acres for three years, endentured servants, and slaves. The king also used land in the colonies to pay off his debts as well.

I agree with all of that. Yes at one time indentured servants probably outnumbered free men.

I guess to really sum it up The colonies and all the different people who inhabited them basically just out grew the need to be under the sponsorship of the UK.

Kind of like a child growing up and leaving home.

Funny today a common man or woman couldn’t touch the cost of a house in Lexington or any of the surronding towns.

If you want overall lower consumption, you don’t cut gas taxes that improve infrastructure. If you want to help the poor, you lower their income tax rate with the money you’d gain if the top 1% were paying much of anything with “donations” that are overvalued and written off etc. No one can tell me anyone in politics cares about the poor when the minimum wage has just moved for the first time since Reagan was elected.

Exactly when I get rich, Im gonna establish “The Guy From Boston Rips Off America” fund, Ill throw my billions in there, and then make a charitable contribution to myself.

In 2005 140 million Americans (of all different classes) owed federal tax returns yet only 130 million payed their taxes. The IRS went after only 500 of them.

You say to yourself “Guy From Boston, how do you know all this?” My mother does taxes for a living.

America is getting ripped off by these rich aholes not paying their taxes too, not reporting their earnings fairly, or setting up bogus charitable foundations. I say we prosecute them and get all the money back. By the way in the mid 1700s American colonists paid no more than one-twentieth of their income in taxes (far less than their relatives in England).

Isn’t this the real agenda of politicians to keep the rich in power and to maintain their monopoly on capital. Siding with the strongest side is always the default now days.

Yes, and going back to the colonists. The colonists were really afraid about “British monolopy.” Just like putting all the mom and pop stores out of business. Sort of like Walmart coming into your town and putting your local hardware store out of business.

Where did it say most or even many of the 10 million people that didn’t pay were “rich” or part of the top 1%? Plenty of poor and middle class people owe taxes and don’t pay.

It did not say that. You implied that though. I would guess the amount of rich people that cheat on their taxes is around 100%. LOL, JK!