Doha: Gatlin New WR!

At first, I kinda thought what Ato thought but then it was pointed out that Olu and Gatlin demolished the rest of the field (which was a good field) which is very true.

I don’t know how he can question the race’s timing. I’m sure you could just use the video footage to get a damn good estimate of the time.

I think Ato may be a little jealous :stuck_out_tongue:

Ato questions anything that moves him down a peg.

Very impressive considering the cheetah already had a full ride at LSU.

1 Gatlin Justin USA 9.76 (WR) 20+6
2 Fasuba Olusoji A. NGR 9.84 16
3 Crawford Shawn USA 10.08 14
4 Trammell Terrence USA 10.10 12
5 Henry Anson CAN 10.12 10
6 Obikwelu Francis POR 10.13 8
7 Emedolu Uchenna NGR 10.16 6
8 Norman Joshua USA 10.33 4

If crawford really ran 10.08, then these guys definately hit 9.8s and lower. Look at that footage, I’d say gatlin is at least 5m ahead of crawford. I dont know the splits, but if you take the time it would take to cover 4m at that speed and add it to gatlin’s time, you can see the timing is real. [( let’s use .87*(.4)=.348)]

#1) .87 is the hypothetical time required to cover 10m by crawford due to his good closing speed.

#2) multiply this number by 40% to get the time required to cover 4m, which gives .348

#3) Add .348 to 9.76 and you get 10.108. Roughly the time that Crawford and Trammel crossed the line.

Which means Gatlin was about 4 meters ahead of Crawford. The time works out to me, but then again I am a nerdy fellow who enjoys running fast.

I like Ato, but saying a .3 second PR isn’t possible is bull poopy. It shows a very closed mind. I know, I myself PRed by .4 seconds last year and I am not new to the sport, I just made technique adjustments that allowed the improvement.

Sometimes great things happen by large margins, records were meant to be broken. I suspect many sprinters will go under 9.75 before beijing because they now know it is possible. This is the mental aspect. Give props where they are due.

Fasuba had a rediculously fantastic start. Why not give him the credit? You take his start with Gatlin’s finish and it’s 9.73s. Is it possible, yup. Will it happen? Eventually. Fasuba had a fantastic acceleration, and I can understand why watching this race is an envying event.

But what you see during this race is 6 guys who are either over trained or not yet peaked racing against 2 guys who by a product of smart training happened to be ready to run very fast. Who cares about the timing of the year, they were ready and they did it.

Olu and his girlfriend were looking for a coach in 2004, i saw him in Bruxelles right after Olympics. They were training instinctively by themselves, receiving some advices from his girlfiend’s mother who was NGR national record holder two decades ago. His season had been very inconsistent and didn’t qualified for individual event at OG : 10.44, 10.70, 10.26w, 10.46, 21.38, 10.44, 10.09, 10.21, relay bronze in Athens, and 20.52 in Bruxelles. I told him i could help him to find someone.

Considering that he was based in Germany, but could move anywhere in europe where it’s warmer, that he didn’t want to go to USA or train with certain European coaches, that he was thinking about switchting citizenship and managing staff, wasn’t keen to lift weights anymore, had to travel a lot due to visa problems, had not much money to pay a star coach who wouldn’t have been interested anyway due to the above reasons. Well, you’ve name it, it was a locked situation.

In that state of emergency i started to give advices, he finished the season with 20.65w in Berlin and 10.18 in Wusterhausen. I was 23 and i knew it was a high responsability, but other young coaches have success look at Yannick Tregaro (coach of Swede jumpers Olson and Berquist) who is about 2 years older than me.

I was still not finding anyone, i was collecting in the meantime all the pictures, video, interviews, biographical information and career results i could find on him, as well as chatting with him, and i had to give him training plans which were as close as possible to his own needs, respecting his natural abilities. From this i establish rythmic models and we work from it at training, this is one of my tool. I did the same for his girlfriend and that’s my usual procedure for athletes. Profile -> individual plans. When from the profile of an athlete, i feel i can do nothing for him/her i say Sorry i don’t have the ability to help you.

They were based in Germany so i went from time to time to their flat and we trained. They also introduced me to the African food and i’m a fan of it now :smiley: Most of the time though i was far away from them so we were corresponding via email/webcam/phone. I kept this activity secret as long as possible to be able to study in peace and preserve our communication, don’t raise attention on us.

When Olu had some good results last year some coaches expressed interest in coaching him i had to come out of silence and asked the iaaf statistic service to put my name on his bio. Olu is free to fire me when his wants, but in the meantime i don’t want anyone to disturb our work. Our relationships is coach-athlete but he is a great friend of mine too. The personality of the athletes is more important than their sport results that’s why i only chose to work with people i have a good feeling with and give equal attention to everyone.

I share my experience with our fellow readers because one day i had the luck to cross the road of an extraordinary athlete, and it can happen to anyone. I also know that i can have the bad luck that all this stop tomorrow.

9.77

Just seen the IAAF website, time rounded up.

http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=512/newsId=34686.html

Looking at the picture, it looks like Fasuba’s time will be rounded to 9.85

Regarding introduction of weights this year, only people who really know very well olu’s body, i.e. his girlfriend and … err … me, can notice any morphological change between 2005 and 2006.
Regarding bench press, look at sprinters who can really lift and see the difference with Olu:

http://www.as.com/diarioasmedia/impresa/media/200508/07/masdeporte/20050807dasdaimas_6_I_SCO.jpg

http://www.nccu.edu/campus/athletics/jsmoots.gif

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_athletics/SURIN_Bruny_19950805_GH_L.jpg

and i could add many more

Former WR holder MIKE AGOSTINI gives opinion on Gatlin’s EQUALLED! WR and on Ato’s controversial talk.

Mike Agostini
Gatlin etc.
Tue May 16, 2006 04:09
58.166.90.56

While Gatlin’s 9.77 does seem “strange” as Ato emphazied, it could still be valid, based on my own experiences.
In January, 1954 when I broke a 28 year old 100 yards indoor record, running in flat shoes,by 0.2 seconds with a 9.6, the doubters were many, especially the late Jesse Abrahamson, the esteemed track and field spournalist and sportswrite. He said that I was too shot, too light and hadn’t run anything like that before and to break such an old mark by two tenths seemed impossible. Yet I beat both Lindy Remigino, the reigning 1952 Olympic 100 metres champion and Art Bragg who’d won many an American national title. The following year an unknown American named Dave Sime broke my record running 9.5 never having recorded anything like that previously. Two years later, in March 1956, I ran 20.1 for 220 yards at Bakersfield, California breaking Mel Patton’s previous world record of 20.2 which had broken Jesse Owens old mark of 20.3 seconds. Once again there were the doubters for various reasons, including that one of my coaches, Duth Warmerdam, the great pole vaulter had been one of the timekeepers. The following month Dave Sime matched that time and when we met at Sanger, California in May Dave beat me by running the world’s first ever 20.00 for 220 yards while I did 20.3 for second. Not many doubted these times then.
From personal experience I can say with confidence that it is indeed posible to run such extraordinarily fast times at unexpected parts of the year. The late Dink Templeton, doyen of track coaches of the time, said to me something being great at runing fast times but unable to beat guys who never ran quite as fast and he was quite correct. Sime won silver in Rome in 1960 but never gold yet he is still one of the greatest sprinters of all time.
Justin Gatlin has won Olympic and World golds and now should be accepted as holder of the fastest time ever with his 9.7, regardless of what anyone,including Ato who himself is one of the greats of modern times (but only won gold in one Commonwealth Games) never to equal much less break a world record.
World records really don’t count quite as much as performance under the greatest of pressures, like the Olympics and the World’s, both of which Gatlin has won. Ato’s four Olympic silvers and his many outstanding achievements mark him as being one of the best sprinters from the Caribbean whose knowledge and exerience is to be highly respected, however in this instance respect is also required for Gatlin, or so it seems to some ancient one like myself.

As a young coach (like myself) did you already have your coaching philosophy/plan in place when you started with him or was it developed as you went? In other works how did it change (if it did between) the time you met him and now?

Thanks and I really enjoy reading your posts as it very informative and inspirinng. :slight_smile:

It will be only rounded up if it’s 9.845 and over. And if it was, it should have already done.

I would say BOTH!

I’m doing statistics since 1992. I’ve compilled performances since then. I also collect all the sprint races on video i can for any decades. I’ve probably one thousand articles on sprinting in various languages in books and in a dozen of folders. I consult some of the greatest coaches on earth to enhance my knowledge. I have travelled to go to meeting and study the sprinter’s preparation who are now Olu’s oponents. I’m a freak as somebody said. But all this is useless if you don’t listen the athlete’s needs. There’s a moment where you are alone on the track with our athletes and you have to answer to the Lenin’s question “What is to be done?”. Their are infinite numbers or possibilities. Given all the information i have, i have often the feeling that i have no other choice but to follow one way, the way showed by the athlete’s current state. I call it the “necessity” (what must be done or can’t be done otherwise, cf. concept by Spinoza). Therefore, i’m always suspicious when people talk about “scientific” training. But this has been debated before in the forum under Barry Ross thread.

9.76 or 9.77, 9.84 or 9.85, big deal. This will make Asafa’s fans happy and Justin’s mad, that’s all. That’s why i value more Olu’s Silver at commonwealth than any time he will run this year. Anyway that’s still an African record :stuck_out_tongue: Times are just times, immaterial.

If I was Gatlin I would make sure my next time was rounded up to 9.70:)

P.S. Im pretty sure Ato or any other sprinter or coach wouldn’t be able to visually account for the .006s difference. Gatlin and Olu did it, stop the hating…lol.

at this point, the question is: what is power’s record exactlu, to 1/1000s?

Either way pj i think you and youir athlete are onto something here. You should keep up the good work and if your athlete keeps his head down and work hard, who knows what he can do next…

By the way am inpressed with the hard work considering he just started weights and he is at 200kg half squad

One thing I can’t understand why some retired athtletes like Ato, MJ, Bubka et al think when time for competing is over it’s their time to talk now.

When little Ato wants to get heard - go back on track and run faster. If not shut up Ato and save us your opinion on god and the world.

I guess he can’t take being soon pushed out of the list of the 10 fastest men in history… :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

200kg can be done by a lot of female Nigerian sprinters. Leave alone 85kg (some peole were suggesting he was doing 10 repetitions for these, not they are doubles !).

THIS WAS LISTED VIA THE IAAF LINK TO OFFICIAL MEET RESULTS. SO MAYBE THEY JUST ADJUSTED THE FIRST PLACE FINISHER, BUT PERHAPS THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE INCORRECTLY LISTED. So maybe Olu’s time will stand at 9.84 but a little faster or a little slower, the guy is on the move…

Qatar IAAF Super Tour - Doha (QAT)
Friday, May 12, 2006

Last Updated: 11:45:34 CET 17/05/2006

Official Result - Revised
Men - 100 Metres - Final
Wind: +1.7 m/s
Pos Athlete Nat Mark Pts

1 Gatlin Justin USA 9.77 (WR) 20+6
2 Fasuba Olusoji A. NGR 9.84 16
3 Crawford Shawn USA 10.08 14
4 Trammell Terrence USA 10.10 12
5 Henry Anson CAN 10.12 10
6 Obikwelu Francis POR 10.13 8
7 Emedolu Uchenna NGR 10.16 6
8 Norman Joshua USA 10.33 4

Official Result
Men - 100 Metres - Heat 1
Wind: +1.1 m/s
Pos Athlete Nat Mark Pts

1 Gatlin Justin USA 9.85
2 Fasuba Olusoji A. NGR 9.92
3 Emedolu Uchenna NGR 10.20
4 Williams Bernard USA 10.26
5 Habeeb Yahya Hassan I. KSA 10.27
6 Batman Daniel AUS 10.35
7 Vries Sherwin RSA 10.40
8 Al-Waleed Ibrahim Abdulla QAT 10.54

Official Result
Men - 100 Metres - Heat 2
Wind: +2.1 m/s
Pos Athlete Nat Mark Pts

1 Crawford Shawn USA 10.06
2 Obikwelu Francis POR 10.15
3 Trammell Terrence USA 10.18
4 Henry Anson CAN 10.24
5 Norman Joshua USA 10.25
6 Campbell Darren GBR 10.29
7 Mayola Freddy CUB 10.34
8 Bader Ahmed QAT 10.65

This is just an aside, however it does appear that the climate in the Middle East, or at least in the Gulf area, is as conducive to sprinters as to the middle distance events the nations in the region have previously concentrated on.

In fact I can’t recall any distance running world records being set actually in the Middle East or the Gulf States, Arab Emirates whatever.

So with Gatlin and Olu lightning up the sprint and bringing global attention to Doha, the local powers that be might start looking to put together great sprint fields in future.

Bahrain (I think??) may even take another look at the sprints, rather than try to buy Kenyans and give them new names to run steeplechase for them.

I’d really like to see actual video footage of some elite sprinter squatting so I can see what depth we’re talking when people throw around numbers like 200-250kg for reps. Maybe I’ve just been hanging around too many gyms where the tough guys squat 150kg at 100kg bodyweight… I can squat anywhere from 180kg to 350kg depending on the depth.

OK, ask Olu and Endurance Ojokolo to stand side by side. The difference is enormous. Endurance has had sometimes 300kg on shoulders, regardless the knee angle this is heavy. Olu never more than 200kg.

On the time rounded… Olu’s uncle Don Quarrie had his time officially announced at 20.23 at 1976 Olympic Games, but years later it was corrected to 20.22 after re-reading photo-finishes. This as happened numerous times in History. In 1983, Carl Lewis did 9.96 in Modesto inj May i think (WR was then 9.95), it even appeared in the following Track & Field News edition. It was later corrected to 9.97. Same for Marita Koch, officially she did 48.15 WR in European Champs’82, which was mounths ater adjusted to 48.16. 0.01 faster, 0.01 slower…, that’s not new story and not enough to talk about conspirancy against MVP camp…