Pj
what do you mean with rythmic model ?
Frequency/stride length?
Times of splits?
Can you expand a little on it?
eh eh… 
i can image
Rythm (they are many definitions but everyone has to find his own i guess) is for me the relationships between stride length and stride frequency (and ground contact time for that matters) as the distance goes. You can see the rythmic analysis for Powell and Montgomery’s WR here
http://www.charliefrancis.com/community/showthread.php?t=9867
What is more interesting is to analyse the rythm for 200m, 300m or even 400m for short sprinters because it shows more variations and it tells more about each athlete’s profile. We don’t have apparatus to measure the chemical changes in the body so we have to find other ways to evaluate the effects of physical efforts.
For Olu, rythmic analyses has been done for all distances and intensity, then models are drawn, then i prescribe which workout (intensity/volume/density) is necessary (see the definition of necessity i borrowed to Spinoza 
). As kitkat advocates in the lactate threshold thread, we try to do less possible, only do what is necessary. The complexity of interaction of the 3 elements intensity/volume/density prevents me to enter into further details. Also it’s individual to each athlete of course, and the sensibility of the coach comes into play to judge current athlete’s form and external conditions. BUT the models are not written in stone, because athletes are human beeings, not robots we can program. A lot of disturbing facors pop-up everyday, especially in case of African athletes were external factors have the most importance. That’s why i’ve recently switched vocabulary for my training sheets, i call them plans instead of programs.
I"D like to see that confirmed as the rule. My understanding- and the rule in place when Ben ran was that anything over rounds up. We saw this once when Ben had a 10.051, which went to 10.06 in Seville 1987.
As Olu’s time was not changed, I’d suspect it ranged from 9.840 to 9.831.
Exact, IAAF Rule 165.23
“Times shall be read and recorded from the Photo Finish image as follow:
(a) For all races up to and including 10,000m, the time shall be read and recorded to 1/100th of a second. Unless the time is an exact 1/100th of a second, it shall be read and recorded to the next longer 1/100th of a second.”
Correct pj
This is now making wonder how meet directors round down the time all the time. It will be interesting to see what the actual finished times are.
I have alway had in mind that Patrick Jonhson Aus. is Caucasian (should have read his profile). I must have read wrong somewhere.
And this rule has also been my experience -whenever I had the joy :rolleyes: of being a time keeper- even in open meetings, where hand-timing is used…
S. Francis said it right in the other thread!
[QUOTE=Nikoluski] even in open meetings, where hand-timing is used…
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How do you aply this rule with hand time Nik?
This has been very interesting to follow!
Should be eye opening for those that place so much emphasis on their weight room numbers. The lack of weight reminds me of the Kim Collins debate back in '03 (i think).
PJ seeing as how you do so little in the weight room, what kind of volume does Olu do on the track, with the medicine ball, and plyos?
PJ Fasuba’s start has been impresive and i notice that his style is similar to the one demonstarted in the fundermentals 1. Has he been starting this way when you two united or you did introduce it to him?
That’s been my understanding all along
You should think the other way too, maybe if he has been spending some time in the weight room, it would have been him breaking the world record.
Looking at the world record race, he was far ahead at some point that if he had been stronger, he would have kept the lead to the tape.
I mean no desrespect to PJ the man behind joung lad as i think he did a terefic job on getting him there. My point is let us not think that him getting there has something to do with him spending les time in the weight room infact more in the weight room might have worked aswell. And again as PJ said, he assesed the guy, profiled him and been with him for a while now, he knows exactly what he needs and the rest of us would only guess and fool our self.
I’m not saying to forgo the weights, I just saying that a lot of us put an over emphasis on the weights! From what i’ve learned from this site is that recovery comes first, you can only add in as much as you can recover from…(when in doubt do less!)
It’s like looking back and saying well if Ben had squated closer to his max he would have ran faster.
My favorite line from Charlie is paraphrasing, “this isn’t a debate, it’s a history lesson.”
Which is why i’m wondering what he’s doing on the track and etc.
guys about the weights and WHAT IF etc PJ said that SE workouts were held back due to off the track probs…please don’t start saying that weight training would have done X.
come on,the guy has run fasntastic with damn all SE workouts WATCH THIS SPACE!
The guy knocked a fantastic amount of time off his PB and now there is second-guessing.
He can modestly start moving the weights up when PJ decides there is space within the performance envelope, meaning that the push/pull competition for CNS resources would require something else to be modified to leave enough room for a steeper lifting curve.
That’s not to say that this won’t be the case in the near future.
It very well might be, as lifting is to the right of the f/t curve relative to other high intensity elements, such as plyos, and may, therefore, compete less against advancement of the primary speed elements.
Olu never did more than 600m volume for a speed workout unit. But in each repetition, he is at more than 95% and sometimes close or above WR level. This + the lack of top level regeneration techniques other camps have, doesn’t leave much room to plyo (the plyo component beeing already present in those high quality sprints).
Jumps are almost non existant in the program since Melbourne due to the problems we know, while number of throws remains constant via medicine ball. The number of throws or contacts for jumps might be around 50 per workout unit. He has still significantly improved jumping and throwing tests from last year (quite noraml since these “power” tests are placed between max stength and speed, which has been both improved).
Maybe he would have run 9.7 already with more weights, we will never know. Maybe we could have avoid this hamstring injury as well. I take the responsability of it.
BUT i would be cautious to draw general conclusions from Olu’s special case regarding weights or other training components.
Charlie, could you please rephrase it as i don’t understand what you mean i english “He can modestly start moving the weights up when PJ decides there is space within the performance envelope, meaning that the push/pull competition for CNS resources would require something else to be modified to leave enough room for a steeper lifting curve.” Our next competitions are 28 May in Hengelo and 02 June in Oslo, then 10 or 11 June (this is still in process), then no competition until 03 July in Athens. What do you think?
Spoken like a great coach! This takes a lot of stress off the athlete, and shows that you are a humble person.
IMHO this thread shuold be made a ‘sticky’ the information in it already is invaluable and I can see it developiong even further.
Rhytm analisys.
Let me see if i understand:
- you film and do splits about a 100-200m (or near these distances).
-Then you try to get splits,frequency,stride lenght.
Now what you do?
You compare this model with other model and try to work on this ?
Or you only do observation about how this factor are going during the run?
Relate the changing about the stride lenght-frequency with status of athlete and any kind of lackness?
I miss the link 