I don’t think you set it up so they are slack when you hit the ground.
For all you experts talking the bullshit behind the mans back without even knowing his system:
He is very competitive, so throw him a challenge in coaching and I will bet he will accept it. If you can make a persons performance better faster than he can, then you have all the credibility you are looking for. If I remember correct he gave a coaching challenge with a great advantage for the competitors at supertraining but surprize surprize nobody of the shittalking crowd accepted it (show up or shut up), so he had to satisfy for Todd E Hamer project.
If you talk the talk then walk the walk and show that he is no better than you are.
yes I know…
what Im saying is to not have someone release the things and bother with timing or whatever
just set them slack for a couple of inches so when you do the jump after landing they are not a factor…and once they pull you back once you are in the air you wouldnt care since you only apply force to the ground…
Im just trying to come up to an alternative to having someone release the bands whe they “think” its the right time…or having to set up a machine that would release at the right time or whatever
No one is talking behind anyones back here- otherwise you wouldn’t be reading this thread. Sooner or later, every guru passes through the athletic sites, including this one, for some free publicity, complete with testimonials. With publicity comes challenge. In science, it’s called peer review. To you, it’s called shittalking.
You are right about the talking behind the mans back. I am impulsive. Anyway he is competitive and I guess that if you for example want to challenge him, he will accept the challenge. Considering the challenge, it could propably be of the same format presented in ST: If it was presented, would you be ready to “step down”, so to speak, and compete with him or do you satisfy to speak through your athletes, without a direct competition.
didnt charlie train this guy namend ben?? =)
where are hammers athletes?? o yeah well never know
And why would charlie want to do that? I mean, we’re not talking about Mel Siff vs. Paul Chek, or anything like that. How would this accomplish anything? Do you want them to race? Or should they train the exact same athlete for a year each and see who wins? Or are we talking like the show “Survivor”? Or a Strongman competition? Or should they both take the SAT and see who scores higher? What kind’ve nonsense is this! Is this like when Bruce Lee used to walk around Hong Kong and be challenged on the street so individuals could attempt to be the man!!
“He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail” Abraham Maslow
I tried to post this last night but had a glitch at the last minute.
The AMT idea might still be a good idea as a contrast or potentiating method for vertical jump improvement even without the bands. The AMT set-up has the height of the box equivalent to the height that gives one the best reactive jumping height. Then band tension is added which causes a 7-8% decrease in jump height. The jumps with bands and without bands are then alternated back and forth in 2-3 rep groupings with progress being noted as an increased reactive jump height without the bands.
Although the velocity upon impact wouldn’t be the same, one might be able to do this with regular depth jumps by simply finding the box height that allows the best reactive jump height, then adding to it until a 7-8% decrease is noted. Then start with the higher box and perform in 2-3 rep groupings alternating back and forth between the high and low box.
Regarding the AMT set-up some have told me they’ve tried using it holding the bands in the hands and this doesn’t work very effectively. Also I’m sure there’s a big difference in immediate results between someone playing around with this training in the garage vs someone who has been prepared for it weeks in advance at DB’s training compound.
As for potential results, well according to some research in Supertraining, even 8 to 10 minutes after regular depth jumps the vertical jump height was 8% above initial. 3 to 4 minutes after barbell squats it was 6% higher. Whether the depth jumps in this case were used as a training tool or a potentiating tool I don’t know but there is probably a lot of room for tinkering and getting even better potentiation.
Very interesting. Outstanding Post!!
Well you must know, that I can not speak for DB, so I better stop before my impulsivity makes me say STUUPIID things. So “Charlie Francis”, as you put it, may be the king for you and forget what I said. To make it more clear: Everything I know about Charlie Francis I know through the media and this board, so he may be great, the best or whatever. At the moment I’m mostly intrigued by DB’s work propably because it lacks all the fortune telling I see bothering other systems.
And everything I know about Britney Spears is from the media and websites. So there. I respect charlie and believe that any true professional does not have to prove themselves with petty arguments. And I “propably” like charlie francis because there’s no “bs” with him!
HE will accept that challenge? Are you here speaking on his behalf?
Now, I can achieve “credibility” only through HIM?
There is a forum for competition already out there- it’s called a track and the event is called the 100m.
Your friend has already enlightened us that the records in the 100m are below standard. While “Confidentiality agreements” prevent us from knowing what Hammer’s actually done, if anything, at a high level, you can look up my results. It should be a breeze for him to beat 9.79- and 31 other World Records.
I can see it now: Charlie Francis challenges DB “The Hammer” Spammer to gain credibility. This has turned into a big joke
Oh come on now! Of course it’s a joke!
Look, the idea is to present training concepts, both as possibilities and as historical fact, where it applies (ie, this is what I did and this was the [documented] result)
This is why this forum exists- and that it is open to ideas from all sources- provided they have a thick enough skin, at times!
My point is that from a physics standpoint, if the bands are slack or if they are released just as the athlete makes ground contact makes no difference. As a matter of fact, if you use this protocol, you could get the same effect with no bands just from jumping off a taller box because after the bands stop pulling, the acceleration immediately returns to 9.8m/s^2 and you only have to concern yourself with the velocity of the body falling to the ground. You can replicate this velocity by using a long free fall.
Now, if you left the bands on until the end of the ammortization phase and then released, you would have a different effect because then the body would have to react in an environment that includes a greater amount of acceleration.
I think the effect has more to do with the brain than actual velocity at the point of impact.
The brain does funny things as we all should know 
And it controls everything in the body and has many safeguards in place.
The idea is to push back the safeguarding thresholds.
Anyone who has squatted with moderate to heavy band tension which is set to kick in only at the top (not full range) can attest to this puts hand up 
Ever since I switched to full range band tension the effect isn’t quite the same, even though Westsiders will jump on your back and say you must have full range tension…
Very well. If is is a mental effect that we are going after with this technique, then I concur that the feel of being pulled down by the bands is, from a perception standpoint, very different than jumping off a higher height even if the physical effects at impact may be exactly the same.
Wait, so you’re saying you think having band tension from halfway up is better? Or only for certain circumstances? Which would be?
This is ridiculous. We have someone who makes extraordinary and incredible claims without any evidence despite the fact that if given what he says is true (i.e. that he has been involved in coaching for a significant amount of time) there should be an abundance of confirmatory data. So where does this leave his interesting ideas? How do they differ from any other wild claims made in a number of other fields? Or are we supposed to test out every thing that comes our way - from get rich quick schemes to hair loss cures we see on late night TV. The onus is not on us to disprove or discredit his theories but on him to prove or credit them.
I hope charlie knows that I am on his side and I think the joke is “The Hammer”!! I’m all for the free-exchange of ideas and training philosophies! I was just trying to make light of the “challenge”!