sorrry but i didnt find in th earchive threads abt the overspeed…well i go with u abt increased foootcontact and increased stride length but wht do u say abt tht 103% issue…doesnt it increases urfrequency through a range tht urbody can handle???
thaks Charlie for confirming my point of saveing enegry to the top speed zone. I’m really happy for this cause that is something I thought of out of thin air. so this is the 2nd thing you confirm for me that I got out of logic 
. As I said before. Coaching is a talent. As in a coach is born a coach. So I believe I’ll be a very good coach after I finish with Athletics as an athlete 
To a considerable extent, it’s based on training age and body type. Explosive, stronger athletes tend to do well with a short to long approach while lankier athletes with less CNS tolerance tend to do better with a long to short approach.
But would you recommend the L to S early on in an athlete’s career, and then, as their strength improves, change to a S to L?
It may depend on build type, as the initial conditionning is not really related to Special End per-se, and for younger athletes it may not be adviseable to do SE beyond 150m.
The explosive/stronger athlete is easy to identify (weightroom numbers, jumping ability, medball throws etc.), so is the lankier athlete(by looking). The hard part for me is how do you identify an athlete with a high or low CNS tolerance.
You may need to see how they react to different training stimulus and adjust as necessary. If there are obvious signs of CNS fatigue you’ll see it on the track and in the weightroom.
I hereby nominate myself as having THE WORST CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM RECOVERY ABILITY OF ALL TIME! You haven’t lived until you’ve been beaten down for 5 days from 45 minutes of speed work! My grandmother heals broken hips faster than I recover!
Is it that easy? If an athlete can handle 10x30m with no problem,(24hrs recovery) but need 48 hrs recovery to come back from 5x60m, and struggles with special endurance runs(can only handle one run)(300m pb=33.2 with a 100m pr on 10.38) what does he have, a high or low CNS tolerance?
Just like Bill Clinton, I feel your pain. 
Sounds like he might have a speed/strength endurance problem and not a CNS problem. More muscular endurance issues than CNS issues.
Blasting out 10x30 and then being able to train speed again with 24 hours recovery is definitely not a CNS issue imo if the quality of reps is high. 
The PBs are very impressive, what does he run for 200?
Cheers,
Chris
Rather than a CNS issue, it is more likely a work distribution question. The work seems very much centered on pure strength and eary acceleration , which comes at the expense of top speed and speed endurance capacity. Thoughts on this?
Just a thought…
What would the result or theory be if you trained in this order?
- Acceleration
- Speed Endurance
- Max Speed
I’m thinking if you train speed endurance before speed, you’ll be able to handle more max speed work. I have some guinuea pigs here that I might test this theory on. I’m expecting girls to benefit from it more than the guys though. Maybe a 200/400 runner would benefit. Cuz i’m almost certain that most 100m runners would wanna get to working on max speed as soon as possible. But I guess it all depends on whats most important to each person.
Are you talking about through the micro or within the session itself?
Cheers,
Chris
Micro, I like working hard, but thats just asking for a torn hammy.
I thought that is what you meant LOL!
How can you train speed endurance before the required max speed qualities are in place? SE is specific to the speed it is trained at. If you run your speed endurance at sub max speeds, then you will have better endurance at those slower speeds, but not at your max speeds.
That would really be a long-to-short approach (assuming the accels started in the GPP phase).
In this approach the accel is always sufficiently far to support the speed requred for the special endurance done at that point in time. IE
20m accel in place- then 600
25m accel in place- then 500
30m accel in place- then 400
etc.
Actually it’s the other way around. Every monday some form of a breakdown is done. In oct he was doing 800m,600m,400m (2.30,1.38,55.7 12-15min recovery). Dec 400m 54.2, 300m 36.2, 200m 23.6. May 1x300m in 33.8, 1x150m in 15.7 with rull recovery. Some monday workouts are replaced with intensive tempo runs.
He is very strong in the weight room, 300lb hang clean,335 bench, and 300lb front squat all the way down (can’t back squat to save his life). Height 6’1", weight 186-189lb. But, the funny thing is he spends very very little time in the weightroom. He jumps on top of the reverse hyper machine in the gym off of one leg with no run-up/step, also can dunk a basketball from a stand still.
Right now the workouts should be 300m,200m,100m, but he is alway dead if he goes hard in the 300m run. His best series was 35.2, 21.3, 10.35. I can’t figure out why he struggles so much with the 300m runs.
I still think that the emphasis on absolute strength comes at a cost. there needs to be a balance (also, the early reps out to 800 are really tempo related). Whatever you want to emphasize requires the adjustment of any competing (that is high intensity) element in favour of the one you want. If the no of reps in the weight room and the number of short acceleration are reduced to the minimum level which will result in maintenance there, more CNS and muscular reserve is freed up to advance the qualities that are inadequate. This is discussed in the Forum Review, available on this site.