Send him to Mississippi State. Those other schools don’t want him.
Having reviewed the discussion here, I see that it is important to clarify something:
‘Strength’ must be assigned context because strength itself is absolutely specific to the means by which it is manifested.
A deadlift, a squat, a bench press, a powerclean, and so on, are only assured to demonstrate how much load an individual can overcome in those exact exercises. Any transfer to movements other than those exercises will vary from one individual to the next based upon a host factors; most of which are encompassed by morphobiomechanics.
In order to be assured more and more transfer the exercise itself must begin to approximate the dynamics of the competition exercise.
This is why Charlie’s general organism strength principle is genius. Charlie left the specific work to sprints, resisted sprints (sled, hills) and drills themselves (as specific as it gets) and the rest to general organism strength.
What most don’t realize is that it demands incredible ‘strength’ to sprint very fast; however, this strength is often not demonstrated on barbell exercises because there are no barbell exercises that closely transfer to sprinting at or near +12m/s at max V.
Rest assured, Tommy Smith, Carl Lewis, Bolt, and all the other taller sprinters, who were/are not known for their focus or ability to lift large barbell loads, were/are extremely ‘strong’.
How do we quantify this ‘strength’ you might ask…
By using our stop watch.
Sprinting IS specific strength- strength specific to mobilizing oneself down the track at the highest possible speed.
So as far as the training for speed goes, trust me in that the ‘strength’ training MUST be individualized to each sprinter. It is for this reason why a group of sprinters may all run 12m/s with Ben Johnson lifting massive barbell loads, Carl Lewis not lifting barbells much at all, Asafa Powell conservatively, by comparison, weight training, Gay doing whatever he does with his personal trainer (certainly doesn’t appear to be any heavy lifting involved) and Bolt using mostly machines with low loads.
While my fastest guys are obviously not at the level of 12m/s they are fast within the context of American football distances and I have a handful of players who run high 4.3/low 4.4 (hand timed) some of who squat, some leg press, some split squat with dumbbells, and so on. It only matters that the individual is sufficiently stimulated optimally relative to no one other than themselves.
Put simply, do only what you must do to improve the result.
As speed coach notes, there is a substantially greater ‘strength’ requirement for American football. In this case the ‘strength’ is not only demonstrated in mobilizing the players around the field but also in overcoming and resisting the inertia from their opponents.
But again, this ‘strength’ doesn’t necessarily rely upon the use of barbell exercise. I have seen over and over again the use of technical-tactical maneuvering and leveraging/positioning win the battle over an opponent who can lift heavier barbells.
Resistance training is what assists in improving strength (don’t be concerned with EMS at the moment). Lifting weights is only one small, albeit common, means of resistance training.
Use your imagine and you’ll note just how free one is to become ‘stronger’ via resistance training even if they have no access to the conventional apparatus.
We must only become ‘specific’ when we discuss specific objectives. Hence, there is no arguments against the fact that, at the very least:
- sprinters must sprint
- Olympic weightlifters must snatch and C&J
- powerlifters must squat, bench, deadlift
- hammer throwers must throw the hammer
- shot putters must put the shot
- discus throwers must throw the disc
- javelin throwers must throw the javelin
- high jumper must high jump
- long jumpers must long jump
- triple jumpers must triple jump
- pole vaulters must pole vault
- strongmen must overcome their implements
and so on and so forth.
Any other training exercises must ultimately be used on an case by case basis in order to support the increase of the competition exercise for that individual, prevent against injury, support mobility, suppleness and the rest of the general preparatory needs.
To make blanket statements, regarding the efficacy of an exercise other than the competition exercise, to any group of participants in the same sport discipline is irresponsible.
We are only responsible in emphasizing the importance of exercises, other than the competition exercise, if we know that it positively transfers to the competition exercise across a broad population. For this to happen, the exercise must satisfy more and more criteria of dynamic correspondence.
It’s not what most want to hear, because it requires more time and effort; however, the reality is that each and every athlete deserves an individualized program. The degree to which this is logistically feasible is ultimately a question of the coach’s commitment and, in the case of team sports, the athletes trainability and work habits.
I lead by example in this case as the only exercises that I require my players to perform are those that I know directly transfer to improved sport form.
I agree with speedcoach. The strength required in football covers a wider spectrum than for sprinters. The strength displayed by sprinters is realized at the far right (short duration, high velocity) end of the curve. Much of the strength utilized in football (some positions) occurs at much slower velocities, even zero velocity, and much longer durations. High resistance exercises such as squat, deadlift, and benchpress, among others, are very appropriate means for developing the high force, low velocity, long(er) duration, end of the curve. Many studies show that, while improvements in high force/low velocity strength can lead to transference across a broad portion of the curve, the transference for high velocity, short duration strength is more specific to the training velocity, and faster, movements.
You and James both had excellent points on the topic. I agree that there is much more to football than speed. Proof is that most sprinters rarely fare well. There are the Jeff Demps and Trindon Hollidays who I call football players who happen to be good at track. I doubt they would be as good if they trained like sprinters year round and tried to play football. Like James said, one cannot summarily accept or dismiss an exercise from their training process based on their own personal bias. I have kids who get a great deal out of deadlifts from a performance standpoint and others who look awkward even with light weight. In GPP, I love RDL’s. As we go to SPP, I tend to diminish the load as speed focus predominates. My whole philosophy is creating a balanced organism from all facets. If I accomplish with deadlifts, squats, RDL,etc; so be it. The big issue I have is that so many college strength coaches are hung up on testing numbers. They emphasize this too much in my estimation. I had a 5’8" 170 lb D2 QB break the QB squat as a freshman. He hit 455 and trust me, the coaches were shocked. The consequence, he leap frogged 3 guys to the number 2 slot on depth chart. Why? My guess, they see he works hard off season and they like his commitment. Do I think it makes him a better player, not really.
Sounds like James program is more trackish and yours more heavy duty strength training?
We all have our own thoughts and ideas on how to do things. I have had great success doing things the way I do. James is obviously a brilliant man and has his own approach as is well documented. I look at it like this, there are a lot of roads that lead to the same destination. I had 8 kids I work with directly and indirectly get college scholarships last year. I feel pretty good when my kids go to school, make all the timed runs and are stand outs in testing. Does this mean they will be great? By no means, it just means they are more prepared then those they are judged against. Maybe it helps them get a better look, resulting in more PT. My fastest kid ran 4.31 hand last week at 225. He hasn’t done s**t all summer and is capable of going faster. Needs to shed 10 lbs of unwanted fat. He has met with Vikings scouts and will get legit shot at NFL. He was GVSU career rushing leader in 3 seasons. He is in another class of fast. Just for a joke, he ran a 100m. From standing start after speed work he ran 11 flat in running shoes from standing start. He was locked up from 50m on. With block work, flexibility, and special endurance work, he could easily run sub 10.5. I don’t train him that way because he need to hit max speed, decelerate and change direction as well as get hit 30+ times per game.
GVSU suck, we played them. My cousin plays at Saginaw Valley. I’m joking about GVSU!
Yes. I agree.
I am a Ferris grad but I have kids on GVSU, Wayne, SVSU, Northwood, and soon Tech. Even though I will always be a Dawg, I love watching these kids play. Some of them I have worked with since 5th grade. My wife hates the Friday high school thing. Never home during the fall. GVSU is turning into “The U”. Some mighty thuggish behavior going on. MIP’s, assaults, armed robberies, etc. Great winning, but at what cost? RB 34, where did you play?
UP baby… 
So, have we come to a decision to which variation of the DL is best for sprinting? or not?.
I would go with RDL myself.
Straps or no straps?.
I never use straps Man up and work that grip! If anything I use chalk
and esp with rdl, your grip would have to be incredibly weak to not be able to hold the weight that your hammys could handle
all the dead lifting I ever did that was heavy I used straps.
I will need to look up what my best was but I was pretty strong for a chick.
not sure how you dont use straps when it gets past a certain weight.
I agree. Even with RDL’s there comes a point for some where your ability to grip the bar and hold onto it for multiple reps might give out before you can provide an overload to the hams/glutes/erectors.
I advise my athletes to go without straps until they are truly necessary but not before-the same for various pulls: mid-thigh, counter movement shrugs, or clean pulls (usually not necessary due to the intra-set RI/cluster). For those who have even a month or two of such experience with RDL’s they know when they need them. Over time, they begin to try to go without them for even heavier loads but eventually there is usually a point where they are needed.
What weight are you lifting? My grip gives out before my hams.
I never use straps man up?
My best squat was 400lbs
need to look up my dead lift but it was good for a 130lb female athlete
that I know for sure
I aint no man but I always used straps
Man up?
shut up works when you dont know what you are talking about.
no offence
or just dont say stupid crap or sexist retard stuff
hate it
Merlene Ottey barely lifted.
she is 50 and still running
should she man up?
she dont need no man I can tell you that.
most of them no doubt cant keep up.
LOL: Ange telling it like it is. Love it. 