Cramps?!

I’ve been getting a lot of cramps on and off for a while in my quads, mostly starts with my left VMO. Happens a few hours after training, when I get out of a chair, and boom it starts to cramp up.

I basicly have to go to bed then and there, as any movement causes it to cramp up again, even after much stretching and massaging and putting pressure on the muscles

How can I fix this? I thought my carb drink after training with all the minerals and stuff in it should help here, but obviously doesn’t and off course I stretch post training

I notice that the longer workouts usually cause this…

how long are the ‘longer work outs’?

over training?

i assume you’re well hydrated going into your works?

getting your magnesium?

about 2hours or so
definitely not overtraining at the moment, I feel good overall.
I drink as much as I can, but I sure sweat a lot. I’m going try drink some gatorade after training and see if that helps - it has some magnesium and potassium.

maybe my diet is low in magnesium, not sure.

Most athletes who train with any volume whatsoever will be deficient in magnesium even when eating a boatload of calories. In most cases it definitely helps with cramps, twitches etc.

Maybe all the iso work you are doing is causing cramping? How is your calcium/mag intake?

Cheers,
Chris

2 hours of just lifting?

with all the sweating you do during your work out, are you taking in enough fluids during the session?

maybe a hydrating drink during your training?

do you take ZMA?

Manual therapy will help immediately. But diet and fluid intake may be the true cause.

The Original Gatorade only has Sodium and Potassium in it NOT any Magnesium.

Chris - I was getting cramps before doing normal stuff as well.
It got so bad that I had to walk around the house, with my hands applying pressure on my quads so they wouldn’t tense up :smiley:

Guys I drink a lot of water in between sets, and now I sip on a Gatorade and whey mixture as well. I take the same before and after training. Hopefully this should fix it.

I don’t take ZMA, and I used to take a calcium supplement, but not now, I guess I should again. The one I have is a complex which also has magnesium in it.

The Gatorade powder I bought has magnesium in it.

Try ZMA. It’s only $9 now.

CoolColJ

Here is some info from the Australian Institute of Sport-

http://www.ais.org.au/nutrition/FactCramp.htm

Cramps and Stitch

Just about everyone who has ventured out to do some exercise has experienced either a cramp or a stitch at some time in their lives. These complaints can range from mildly uncomfortable to severely debilitating but there is no question that they are a great source of frustration to everyone from recreational exercisers to serious athletes. Unfortunately, scientists know very little about the two conditions and how to avoid them. Consequently, there is a lot of folklore surrounding the topic, making it difficult to know exactly how to deal with these problems.

What is cramp?

Cramp is a sudden, tight and intense pain that most commonly occurs in the leg muscles especially the gastrocnemius (calf), hamstrings (back of thigh) and quadriceps (front of thigh). It can range from a slight twinge to an excruciating pain, and may last for a few seconds or several minutes. A cramp can be a one-off occurrence or repeat several times before the muscle relaxes and the pain goes away.

What causes cramp?

Cramp is caused when a muscle involuntary and forcibly contracts and does not relax. While this seems to be due to an abnormal stimulation of the muscle, the exact mechanism is unknown. Cramp is more likely to occur in tired muscles therefore poor fitness or exercising at high workloads can increase the likelihood. Inadequate stretching may also contribute.

Dehydration may contribute to cramp especially when fluid and sodium losses are high. Sodium is involved in initiating nerve signals that make muscles contract. A deficit of sodium and fluid may “irritate” muscles causing them to contract uncontrollably.

Cramp has been attributed to the depletion of potassium and minerals such as calcium and magnesium. However, this idea does not have strong support as very little potassium, calcium and magnesium is lost during exercise. Also deficiency is rare as these substances are abundant in the diet. It has been suggested that magnesium is relocated in the body during exercise rather than lost in sweat. Therefore, a magnesium imbalance in relation to other electrolytes (sodium and potassium) may be involved. Further evidence needs to be gained in this area.

The use of creatine has been linked to cramps, based on anecdotal reports from athletes, and the hypothesis that a creatine-loaded muscle cell may become so “full” with the storage of creatine and fluid, that the integrity of the membrane is disrupted. Although this theory is interesting, studies which have followed the cramping and injury outcomes of groups of athletes have not found any difference in the prevalence of problems occurring in creatine users and non-users.

How can I avoid cramp?

Allow adequate recovery and rest for muscles after hard training sessions.

Increase strength and fitness. Stronger, fitter muscles are more resilient to fatigue and therefore cramp. Be cautious when changing speed or intensity especially during the later stages of exercise. Fatigued muscles take longer to adapt to increased workloads.

Wear comfortable, unrestrictive clothing and footwear.

Stay well hydrated during exercise by drinking appropriate amounts of fluid. See Fluid - Who Needs It? for guidelines. Sports drinks are a good option as they help to replace sodium losses, especially when sweating at high rates. In most cases, salt tablets are not recommended. However, during ultraendurance exercise (particularly in very hot weather or when sweat losses are high) it can be necessary to be more aggressive in the replacement of sodium. Sodium intakes of approximately 0.25-0.7 gram per hour may be necessary for ultraendurance exercise lasting more than 3-4 hours. This may require the use of salty foods (i.e. Vegemite sandwiches, crackers, pretzels, potato crisps) or special products such as electrolyte powders or tablets to keep pace with sodium requirements. Speak to a Sports Dietitian if you think this applies to you.

How should cramp be treated?

Stretching helps to decrease the muscle contraction and allow the muscle to relax. Massaging the area may help to alleviate pain. When cramps are severe, applying ice can stop the spasm and help to relieve pain. Rest and replacing fluid losses will also bring improvement.

Does cramp indicate a more serious problem?

In most cases, cramps are a temporary event and do not lead to serious problems. However, sometimes cramps can indicate a more serious medical condition. You should always see your doctor if cramps are severe, occur regularly, fail to improve with simple treatment or are not related to obvious causes such as strenuous exercise.

As for the Gatorade formulations they change around the world. I was speaking of the Original US version.

For your options down under- there is an interesting product called GatorLytes.

The Electrolyte content of GatorLytes is much higher than standard Gatorade.

I got some samples from a colleague and got the opportunity to try them out- and was very pleased.

Them come in a sachet and are suggested to be mixed with Gatorade.

Here is more info-

http://www.ais.org.au/nutrition/SuppFS02.htm

You can always try L-Taurine as well. I’ve had better results with that than electrolytes for whatever reason.

Cramps are one of the signs of overtraining. If you’ve tried Massage, Calcium- 1GM mid day after training and ZMA at night before bed, and it doesn’t help- it’s overtraining, and must be resolved by a move towards low intensity for up to 10 days, depending on the severity of the problem. Check for any other signs, such as eyelids flickering, irritability, sleep disruption, problems with concentration.
This may also be a sign that you have an insufficient mix of low intensity (circulatory) work in your training. A hint of this would be if cramping comes on more as you rest more (therefore reducing the pumping effect comming from normal movement)

With 1GM, does that mean 1 gram/day?

Gatorade seems to be working :slight_smile:

I’m definitely not overtraining, I feel good, sleep is good, waking pulse as per normal and I feel strong. I get in a bit of cooldown work as well.

It maybe mostly an electrolyte problem in my case.

thanks all

Just make sure you add half water to the amount of gatorade you drink.

Provided there are no neurological or neurodegenerative causes such as multiple sclerosis, cerebralpalsy, stroke, or spinal cord injury - extra calcium is usually the solution for muscle spasms or muscle cramps in many nocturnal cases. The extra requirements for calcium may be a result of high protein or
phosphate levels (kidney disease, poor diet), hormonal diseases or imbalances, nutritional imbalances (high Mg/Ca ratio, low pantothenic acid), celiac disease or other intestinal conditions that interfere with calcium absorption, prescribed medications that promote calcium loss, random self-supplementation of the wrong vitamins and minerals, and others.
When high calcium is suspected but no resources are available to measure cellular calcium levels (serum calcium cannot be used for that purpose), an acidifying approach may be tried such as taking a very large amount of Vitamin C for a few days. If the muscle spasms or cramps get worse, then at least one can assume that calcium was likely on the low side, and one needs to increase its dietary intake, and/or use calcium supplementation.
If on the other hand the muscle cramps or spasms improve, then calcium is likely too high and requires co-factors to make it more bioavailable by supplementing either magnesium, or a phosphorus source such as lecithin, a higher daily intake of Vitamin C, or one could increase one’s protein intake as
another option.
Consuming foods or beverages containing lactic acid is another acidifying strategy to reduce muscle cramps when working out, despite the buildup of lactic acid in muscle tissue during strenuous exercise being actually a common cause of muscle spasms or cramps. This happens from insufficient oxygen not being able to oxidize lactic acid, which would otherwise get rid of it from muscle. Inosine and creatine supplements also help to reduce the buildup of lactic acid in muscle.
As exercise tolerance increases from repeated training, it takes increasingly longer before lactic acid is produced in muscle, so there is less of a chance of muscle cramps to develop. Lactic acid is found in a number of foods and beverages, and it is also commercially added to increase their acidity (olives,
sauerkraut, cheese, beer, soft drinks, pickles…). Lactic acid-containing drinks can serve as a valuable fluid replacement for athletes before, during, and after competitive training and exercise.
One-sided leg cramps or spasms can help with the decision of what to supplement, whereby the left side is usually indicative of calcium, while the right side is generally an indication of magnesium being needed, although some individuals require a calcium / magnesium combination for relief as a result of both being low.
Spasms or cramps in the toes can develop from a number of causes, including tight shoes, lack of circulation, and sitting in a particular position (car, plane, theater) for longer periods of time. Briefly exercising one’s toes, or a short walk usually provides relief, however if nutritional imbalances are a contributing factor, then the sidedness may also provide a clue of which minerals may possibly be a factor, with the left side corresponding to an overly alkaline cellular environment (requiring an increase in phosphates or magnesium), and the right side corresponding to an overly acidic cellular environment (requiring more sodium or calcium). This is opposite from the mineral requirements involving left-sided or right-sided only muscle spasms or cramps in someone’s calves for instance.
If poor circulation causes muscle cramps, Vitamin E might be a good choice for its blood-thinning and vasodilating properties. Gingko biloba also provides a blood-thinning effect and may be considered.
Sodium and/or potassium imbalances tend to become more of a problem during, or after physical activity, but less so during rest, so for exercise-induced leg cramps or muscle spasms, their addition in the form of a sports drink, or through extra Sodium / Potassium supplementation in tablet form may
be a consideration. However, sufficient hydration (taking in enough fluid) is equally important before, during, and after a workout!

that’s interesting!